On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:48:22AM +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> > because us older linux users are smart enough to realize that we can get
> > all that info off the net
> Those "older smart" Linux users are starting to become a minority.
i was talking in terms of software producers, not users.
those older linux users are not going to produce that software because
they don't need it.
> Unfortunately they're disproportionally vocal.
as producers there is no disproportion.
> > is there? this is an issue of choice. some of us choose to only use free
> > software. don't blame us for the lack of non-free software for linux,
> Yes I *do* blame you.
huh? on what grounds?
what do you expect me to do differently?
> > my computing needs are met with free software.
> There are a lot of computing needs which are definitely not met by
> Linux. Speech recognition is one, and don't start arguing that there
> isn't a *need* here unless you want to make a fool out of yourself.
i did not say that ALL computing needs are met. i was talking about my
needs specifically to explain why there is no need for me to become
active and change things.
> Engineering applications are next on my mind. Keeping your head in the
> sand and proudly proclaiming "my needs are met by free software" doesn't
> address any of these problems.
you are completely missing the point. i am not here to meet your needs.
you are making demands, and request that i should meet them. why?
i have no idea of the needs of engineers, why should i now start
creating engineering applications?
i don't have my head in the sand. i working fulltime on meeting other
peoples needs already by creating and documenting free software. don't
tell me i am working on the wrong stuff, just because those are not your
needs.
> > i have no interest in spreading linux for the sake of advancing linux.
> Quite frankly, I see that attitude as a hindrance when it starts to be
> in the way of commercial use of Linux.
why should my inactivity in spreading linux be a hindrance?
since when does the commercial use of linux depend on me?
why should i be even interrested in the commercial use of linux?
what's in it for me?
i am not even vocal about it (except in insider discussions like this
one), i don't advocate linux to anyone unless that person appears to
have needs which actually are met by linux. i'll happily recommend to
NOT use linux if i see that this persons needs are not met by it.
so tell me, what am i hindering?
> Meeting all needs by free(speech)
> software is utopic, thinking that needs are met now is naive.
again, i did not say that, and i do not even think that.
there still are many needs that are not met, i just don't see it as my
task to go and meet them just because they exist.
> PS Smart comments about consumers (your next post) doesn't address
> problems either,
they were not meant to. they don't even relate to this particular thread
at all (but to the one about consumers wanting things for free, which is
a different topic that we are not even touching here.)
> and it looks to me like a fact that consumers rule, like it or not (I
> do and don't, depending).
as long as they are not paying me i choose to only serve those who have
needs that i am interested in (and feel capable of) fulfilling.
in other words, i decide what i spend my time on, not the consumer.
greetings, martin.
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