"If you can't see past the ongoing issues, you're pretty much a helpless Linux zealot."
Our father, who art in /sbin, init is thy name. Thy PID is 1; Thy children run In user space as they do in kernel. Give us this day our daily RAM And forgive us our interrupts As we are nice to those who interrupt us. Lead us not into uncaught exception And deliver us from SIGKILL For thine is the system And thou art the saviour For ever and ever – until we sudo apt-get upgrade, Amen. Chris... On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote: > (Dante and his 4 paragraphs) > Paragraph 1: > Linux has not failed. To call my opinion a mentality is to complain > about someone asking for accuracy in a rant. > > Paragraph 2: > Assuming you buy compatible hardware, there is very little to dick > around with these days when setting up a Linux Desktop (especially > with Ubuntu). Disclaimer: KDE is the devil and I agree it makes life > impossible, if it is a problem for you then don't use it. The generic > comment that the OP wants his computer to "do something for him" is > neither here nor there. Linux does something for all of us everyday. > What does this even mean? You cannot blame a lack of Linux Desktop > knowledge on Linux, that is ridiculous. Why is it that almost every > problem listed in the rant mentioned is a problem I do not have, a > problem my mother/brother/father/grandma does not have? The ranter > insists on using Fedora (he loves it), maybe it is time to try > something else. So many of the problems I hear people bitch about can > be resolved by following this simple guide (or ones like it): > http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx > > Paragraph 3: > You are right about Canonical and about what people want. Assuming > you have purchased the correct hardware and installed Linux correctly > (Ubuntu is like 5 click of the mouse and some typing) a user can turn > on a Linux Desktop and go. Seriously, WHAT are you doing to your > computers such that they will not just turn on and work? I do not > have any of these problems. A fun experiment would be to delete every > Window$/O$X users hard drive and give them a disk of their preferred > OS. Then make them install the OS so that it does what they "want". > I bet the majority of users will have a ton of issues. Setting up a > Linux Desktop in many cases is easier than WIndow$ and OSX these > days. If you need an OEM to hold your hand, then go with OSX. > > Paragraph 4: > Call me a zealot, that is fine. Fanboi's are really a different > thing, usually point-click engineers, and the distinction should be > pointed out. OS's are tools, no one argues that, but like many things > there are good ones and bad ones. I like to use my tools for several > tasks, not just as a hammer. To say all OSs are created equal sounds > a bit religious, now who is the zealot? I swear people will not be > happy until Linux has a EULA. Most Linux users do not ostracise > anyone. We do however like to point out when a FOSS solution will > resolve a particular issue a Fanboi is having. We are also guilty of > mentioning the free-50-free price tag of FOSS solutions when a Window$ > user complains that he/she has to buy another program. Linux users > love to say "we can do that with Linux". At the end of the day, Linux > users do not want to convert everyone, it is more important to the > community that they are left alone to do what they want with their > hardware. > > Take it from someone who ACTUALLY uses a Linux Desktop everyday, not > OSX/Window$ at home and Linux servers at work. I use nothing but > Linux on the desktop (ubuntu/debian/centos) and as a server OS, both > at home and at work, everyday. Running a Linux desktop is not that > hard. I would wager that most Window$ users spend more time dicking > around, making their puters look 1337, than it would take them to > setup Linux correctly. The thing that the other "camps" will not get > past is that Linux is different and its community does not always > assume that M$ and Apple set the computing standards. So things are > different and people want what they had, get over it and learn > something new. > > I agree, the learning curve is not for everyone... > > Chris... > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Trevor Benedict <mre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Stuff like this is whats keeping the Linux Desktop behind. >> People just want stuff to 'Just Work', not use the command line, or GUI >> install tool thats confusing. >> Canonical might want to take a hint from the Apple Store. >> >> There are many many areas where the Linux Desktop is lacking. Its why I >> moved to a OSX desktop. >> After using Gentoo Linux for 6 years as a desktop, I just got tired of it. >> Yes Ubuntu is much easier to keep up-to-date, its still very lacking. And >> confusing at times. Lets change how things are done every year...... >> >> One of the big things is lack of attention to detail, and functionality. >> Yes, functionality. Im not talking about backend apps really. >> GUI applications. Matching 1:1 functionality of OSX or Windows applications, >> even apps that come with the other OS's. >> Dont even get me started on PAYED versions of software, FOSS software >> doesn't even come close. And never will. >> Why? It cost real money to pay for the developers rent and food. Part time >> work on a project that doesn't pay, does not feed that developer. >> >> And the Linux zealots do not help at all. Its like an alcoholic that keeps >> saying theres nothing wrong, and they don't drink that much. >> >> </rant> >> >> I love Linux... as a Server OS. Its a great Server OS. >> -- Trevor Benedict >> - MrEcho >> >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Chris Louden <ch...@chrislouden.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Jeff Lasman <jpli...@nobaloney.net> >>> wrote: >>> >> No matter. To the user, that's Linux. And all your objections seem >>> >> pretty >>> >> non-objectionable to me, when seen from the point of view of the more >>> >> naive >>> >> Windows user. >>> > >>> > Replying to myself to point out a perfect example. I just tried >>> > visiting >>> > youtube. Can't play anything; it keeps telling me I need a new flash >>> > player. >>> > So I go to the page I get; they tell me which vesion I need; I click to >>> > download it and I get a message that Kubuntu doesn't know how to handle >>> > file- >>> > type deb. >>> > >>> > No way to download it and run it myself, nothing new in kpackagekit. >>> >>> esh! >>> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree >>> >>> > >>> > So no more youtube. Even though I'm on an LT version. >>> > >>> > Jeff >>> > -- >>> > Jeff Lasman >>> > Post Office Box 52200, Riverside, CA 92517 >>> > Our jplists address used on lists is for list email only >>> > Phone +1 909 266-9209, or see: "http://www.nobaloney.net/contactus.html"; >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > LinuxUsers mailing list >>> > LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>> > http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> LinuxUsers mailing list >>> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >>> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> >> > > > > -- > "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to > be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." > -Roger Penrose > -- "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." -Roger Penrose _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
