Dr. Core wrote:

If you count human-piloted mechs, then you are haven't dig yourself an
inch out of a hole.


How so? You can't state something will or will not happen when nothing in that path has started yet. We have piloted machines (planes, cars, ships) and we have limbed machines (robots). What we don't have *yet* is piloted limbed machines. Will we? I have no idea. Neither do you. Scientists back in the day stated decisively that it was *impossible*, not just improbable, for a baseball pitcher to make a baseball break. Couldn't happen, it would just trace a parabola in the air. They were completely wrong, those propellerheads, and that was just about a damn baseball. Anyone saying that a limbed mech will "never happen" is simply stating he has no imagination. Nobody alive is an expert on weaponized mecha yet.


That's the point.  Gundam, unlike Star Trek (FTL flight,
teleportation), Star Wars (Force, Rancor beast) and D&D (wizards and
zombies), deals with a "likely" near future, not any and all kind of
anime physics with "not zero" odds.  There's a non-zero odds we will
have an Eragon-like future (I can construct a background setting while
breaking fewer real world laws of science than First Gundam).  Doesn't
make it meaningful for Gundam.


Doesn't make it *not* meaningful for Gundam. How far away are we from spinning orbital colonies? How far away are we from fusion reactors that are small enough to fit in something the size of a bomber? I'd say that until both those things happen, or begin to happen, any guesses to timelines and feasibilities of limbed mechs are premature, in terms of comparing to Gundam's future vision.


Good enough for me, good enough for Gundam.  I don't think Tem Ray was
trying to win any award either.


Ah. So since coal burning power plants are cheaper and more stable than fusion reactors you're saying that we should forget ever possibly seeing one? Just give up, we have a working solution right here, screw nukes! I'm saying there's a difference from everyday mundane companies selling shit to make money and companies pushing forward, spending loads of money (Honda robot) to see what's possible. And then there is the third option, war forcing development of gear and machines that have become necessary but would never have been conceived of or funded by peacetime companies more concerned with what stockholders demand. Radar gave us microwave ovens. War gave us working radar.

Anybody read "Rainbow's End" by Vernor Vinge? I'm reading it now. Among the many many things this brilliant writer has written in the past he proposes something that is minor to the story but, for this conversation, gives a good example of a massive change for something that nobody is thinking about right now. Specifically, architecture. Anybody into architecture? I am, some. Well, in the story everybody "wears". Meaning everyone has a PC built into his clothes. And contact lenses that interact with these wireless worn computers. What does that have to do with architecture? Well, in this possible (probable) future, since everyone has this shit on his person it's sort of a waste of time to expend loads of money on beautiful architecture designs (unless you're rich). What they do is design basic buildings. Boring, bland buildings, just a bunch of cubes really. A minimum of paint, shape, etc. But, since you have these contacts in, the building looks like anything you (or the builder) wants. Sure, the floorplan is unchanged but the building can look as cool as you like. Money is spent on code, texture painters. Get it? One change *in an unrelated field* can completely knock another field on its ass.

I'm not saying anything like that *will* happen in the fields of space exploration or war since, really, what do I know. But since we're not at the point, yet, of having portable power supplies as spectacular as the one a Gundam has, nor are living in orbit yet or flying fleets of space battleships yet, I find it ludicrous for anyone to state that this or that futuristic idea that can be engineered or predicted already (even if it can't be built yet) cannot or will not happen simply because nobody now can see a reason to want or use one. Radio was initially considered useless, nobody could possibly want to buy a device to listen to signals broadcast through the air. Really.





Alfred.

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