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On 12/12/2013 23:25, Alexander Batov wrote:
Here is a more well-mannered, illustrated (scroll towards the bottom of
the page) discussion on RH nails, Mouton etc:
[1]https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid99709983490349&set=a.14395780
5732236.27163.100003540520662&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply
Alexander
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:18:19 -0800
From: Dan Winheld [2]<dwinh...@lmi.net>
To: Mayes, Joseph [3]<ma...@rowan.edu>, Christopher Wilke
[4]<chriswi...@yahoo.com>, Bruno Correia [5]<bruno.l...@gmail.com>,
List LUTELIST [6]<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Thank you also, Chris for your last post. Very enlightening, your
experience of nails with Baroque Lute vs. nails on Classical guitar.
That's the kind of in depth reporting that is needed (and much like the
re-discovery of lute RH technique in general- thumbs in, out, and all
the rest) and is one reason why I am still waiting for a good, accurate
explanation & translation of Piccinni's comments on nails- and anyone
else's from the time periods that matter- not because I personally want
or need to use nails, but because I run into other players; occasionally
students, who need nails for their guitar work but want to do as well as
they can on lutes and other double course, historically problematic
instruments.
Don't know why this nail business has to be such an emotionally hot
button issue (as it always seems to have been, even just amongst the
guitarists themselves) any more than synthetic vs. historic stringing,
playing position/location of the right hand, frets, and the myriad other
trivia- that, taken all together- make such big differences from
historic practice in this era. Can't it be discussed just a tad less
emotional heat? It's just one of a number of fascinating & annoying
details that make this whole early music endeavor so much fun. Keeps it
interesting, no?
Consider this: a low tension gut strung 11 course French Baroque lute,
as depicted in Charles Mouton's famous painting & engraving; his right
hand arched & bent as much as any modern classical guitarist (and more
than Julian Bream's), right down at the bridge- and we assume no nails-
but check a good, detailed enlargement of his right thumb in the
engraving- click on and enlarge the right hand area, computer screen
brightened up all the way:
[7]http://en.expertissim.com/old-engravings/gerard-edelinck-portrait-of-charles-
mouton-joueur-de-luth-francais-o12131333.html
How much different will that sound be, compared to a sensitive, highly
trained, informed and experienced player who uses nails- (perhaps a
little closer to the rose?) I believe Toyohiko Satoh has released a CD
where he does indeed (but presumably sans nails) play his historic lute
just like that, low tension all-gut, RH and all.
Dan
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References
1.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid99709983490349&set=a.143957805732236.27163.100003540520662&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply
2.mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net
3.mailto:ma...@rowan.edu
4.mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
5.mailto:bruno.l...@gmail.com
6.mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
7.http://en.expertissim.com/old-engravings/gerard-edelinck-portrait-of-charles-mouton-joueur-de-luth-francais-o12131333.html
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