…so now you’re talking ;) It’s all about mixing aesthetics - old and modern. Why then do you insist on calling it HIP? I played this concerto on several occasions on various historical double strung instruments and we never felt any problems with a proper balance between an ensemble and a lute. It depends on attitude of all instrumentalists in a group. JL
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 12:06, Roman Turovsky <[email protected]> wrote: > > there are plenty of reasons to use a single-strung archlute, the most obvious > of these are the volume, precision and speed that are required by the > standards of 21st century HIP orchestral playing. > RT > > > On 10/11/2016 4:48 AM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: >> Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the contrary, I said Luca’s >> performance was very successful. On the other hand one may ask questions >> like: why someone plays single strung archlute if there is little evidence >> for this type of instrument, why someone uses fingernails if the evidence >> speaks against using them, and why someone uses amplification (Noble prize >> for someone who’ll find any evidence for this :)) And if all of this is used >> simultaneously, then one may assume it is not coincidental. Why? Because it >> is much more guitar-like, and most of lute players started their musical >> education as guitarists. Another problem is the fear of not being heard by >> an audience especially when playing in a group . >> Again, I am not criticising, however it should be pointed out that there are >> 2 ways of looking at authenticity IMHO, and someone who has no experience in >> early music may feel a little bit confused. >> Best >> JL >>> On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are absent is >>> this. >>> >>> Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without. Stephen >>> Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin Bozhinov without. >>> >>> RT >>> >>> On 10/10/2016 5:33 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: >>>> Name it as you like, for me it’s a Liuto forte. There is another version >>>> of RV93 played by Luca here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB101T_sVog> >>>> The whole instrument is single strung again, and the evidence for this >>>> type of archlute stringing is very scarce as Howard rightly noticed. Luca >>>> uses fingernails, so this is another factor that influences the overall >>>> sound (not only mics). >>>> JL >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:28, Roman Turovsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> on a good authority of RT. >>>>> Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension. >>>>> RT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, JarosÅ‚aw Lipski wrote: >>>>>> Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory? >>>>>> JL >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute by Luc >>>>>>> Breton. >>>>>>> RT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, JarosÅ‚aw Lipski wrote: >>>>>>>> The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto attiorbato, but >>>>>>>> a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca Pianca, Luciano Contini, >>>>>>>> Eric Bellocq and many others use it, however I would be far from >>>>>>>> saying that this is a historical instrument - see here >>>>>>>> http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html >>>>>>>> <http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html> It’s easier to play and >>>>>>>> was specially created with guitarists in mind. >>>>>>>> Also Lucas fingering in Vivaldi isn’t really Baroque. Having >>>>>>>> said that, his performance from musical point of view was successful, >>>>>>>> and I am glad to see people talking about music on this list :) >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 18:23, howard posner <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, and >>>>>>>>>> not. in D. >>>>>>>>>> It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange for the >>>>>>>>>> violins. >>>>>>>>> Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A. I believe Giardino >>>>>>>>> Armonico plays at A 415. I’m guessing the pitch is lowered on >>>>>>>>> the Youtube video we’re talking about. This is commonly done >>>>>>>>> to avoid detection by copyright bots. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here’s a recording of Giardino and Luca doing the same >>>>>>>>> concerto, sounding in D at A 415: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kJwhbZcAM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, it’s possible that the sound is adjusted up on this >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>>>>>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>>>>>>> -- >>>> -- >
