On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:35:04 -0800 Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan <daniel....@oeconomist.com> wrote:
> On 02/14/2018 06:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:30:13 -0800 > > Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian <mc_kier...@oeconomist.com> wrote: > > > >>>> I've an article, prepared in LyX, whose citations and > >>>> bibliography I need to have rendered in Chicago style. (Indeed, > >>>> If I can get the sections titles &c to conform automatically to > >>>> Chicago-journal style, that would be great.) > >>>> > >>>> I'd like to avoid a process of tweaking a .tex file. > >>>> > >>>> When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls > >>>> about conflicting specifications. If I have to do everything > >>>> through the preamble or by tweaking a .tex file, then I'd like > >>>> to know how to disable the build-in Bibliography processing. > >>>> > > > >> On 02/14/2018 03:11 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > >>> > >>> As a general rule, > >>> > >>> provide a Minimal Working Example, ie the shortest LyX file with > >>> the shortest BIB file that demonstrates the issue. > >>> > >>> greetings, el > >>> > >>> On 14/02/2018 02:13, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote: > > > > > >> That is a signally absurd response. > >> > >> A minimal example would be an empty LyX document. I could show > >> you a screen-shot of an empty preamble, but you presumably know > >> how that looks. Likewise for the Bibliography dialog. > >> > >> I could go a bit further, and post a bibtex file, and a LyX > >> document with a cite element and bibligraphy element, and ask > >> “What do I do to get LyX to render that cite element and the > >> bibliogrpahy in Chicago style?” But, again, you presumably know > >> how bibtex files, cite elements, and bibliography elements look. > >> > >> So far, I've seen you post one willfully passive-aggressive > >> response to one person, and then this foolish response to me. > >> This list begins to look to be a source of abuse, rather than > >> constructive response. > > > > I've rearranged the thread as bottom posted, so when somebody says > > "this" is absurd, we all know what "this" refers to, and when > > someone recommends a minimum working example, we all know what > > situation a MWE is supposed to improve. If we're going to criticize > > communication styles, let's go for clarity ourselves. > > > > Anyway, regardless of Eberhard Lisse's tone, the Minimum Working > > Example (MWE) is one of your most powerful tools for diagnosing LyX > > problems. Remember, he said " ie the shortest LyX file with the > > shortest BIB file that ***demonstrates the issue***." (emphasis > > mine). > > > > If the issue occurs on a blank document, start removing stuff from > > the document properties. At some point you're going to be able to > > toggle the problem on and off. Then, keep removing more stuff until > > the only stuff left is stuff that will toggle the problem. This is > > a true MWE. > > > > Once you have your true MWE, either the cause will be obvious to you > > and you'll fix it, or you can submit it and it will be obvious to > > your fellow listmates, or the LyX developers will tell you "whoops, > > that's a bug, let us fix that, and thank you so much for narrowing > > it down for us." > > > > The way I make MWEs is I keep dividing the remaining root cause > > scope of the document in half and seeing whether the symptom is > > still there, and continue until all that's left is maybe a sentence > > plus what is necessary to produce the symptom. Likewise, I keep > > simplifying the document preamble/properties until there's nothing > > there that won't flip the symptom if I remove/change it. > > > > A year ago I has a problem in which I couldn't produce my books on > > my new Void Linux computer if I used Century Schoolbook type, which > > is a must. Even a Minimal Working Example would fail if I used > > Century Schoolbook. So for LyX had I had to use a Ubuntu virtual > > machine guest: Inconvenient! > > > > Then one day a fellow author let me read his LyX produced book, > > which obviously had Century Schoolbook type. I made an MWE of his, > > and MWE of mine, compared, and the difference was obvious: He was > > using the TeX Gyre Schola variant > > > > SteveT > > I explained exactly why the request for an MWE was absurd here. You > didn't actually attend to the explanation. > > I understand when and how to use an MWE. This was not an occasion > for which one made any sense. > > If someone asked you how to launch LyX, would you actually tell them > to provide an MWE? You're about in that territory right now, and a > person who didn't know how to launch LyX wouldn't be as demonstrably > foolish as someone who asked for an MWE of that person, or as someone > who pontificated about the value of MWEs in the face of the present > problem. Fine. You tried it. "When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls about conflicting specifications." Next job: Find out the source of the yowls. I'd use an MWE to narrow it down, but perhaps you have a different idea. SteveT
