On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 12:55:34PM +0000, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> On October 3, Steve Litt<mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com> (on the LyX User 
> List) wrote:
> > Several times, on long wordprocessing documents, I personally have had
> > LibreOffice writer styles spontaneously change. At one point my
> > personal problem with LibreOffice style prevented me from converting a
> > 300 page doc made in MS Word to LibreOffice. The import went just fine,
> > but the styles kept changing, and keeping them all intact was like
> > playing whack-a-mole.
> > I had an even worse personal failure involving changing styles in
> > LibreOffice's Impress, which contained the 90+ slide presentation I
> > license to companies for their internal Universal Troubleshooting
> > Process course, that now I need to rewrite the entire thing in Beamer.
> At the risk of joining in a flame war, I feel a need to share my experiences 
> with LyX and LibreOffice. As I am on both LyX’s and LibreOffice’s user lists, 
> I am posting this message to both lists.
> I have used both LyX and LibreOffice for decades, the former going back to 
> version 1.4 and the latter going back to its origins as StarOffice and later 
> as OpenOffice.org. Over the years I have found myself having a love/hate 
> relationship with both. I have had to learn that each has its own way of 
> working, and when I try to make either work like the other, I run into 
> problems.
> My current work is primarily with slide presentations, and I bounce back and 
> forth between LyX/Beamer and LO Impress (as well as 
> RMarkdown/Slidy/Ioslides). I have found that with LyX, I can very happily 
> change formatting after composing my content and, so long as I am satisfied 
> with Beamer’s slide designs and themes, it works very well. But, I usually 
> find myself getting very frustrated when I want to change some design detail. 
> It often requires a Google search to learn the right LaTeX command to achieve 
> the change I want. After spending hours trying to achieve a certain result 
> and editing preamble and/or LaTeX code, I often find I just give up and move 
> it all to LO Impress just to get the job done.
> On the flip side, I have had to learn that LO Impress doesn’t like having 
> slide formats changed *after* the presentation substance has been composed. 
> While my styles haven’t suddenly changed on me, I have learned that changes 
> made to Impress master slides do not always get to all slides in a 
> presentation. Through painful experience, I have learned that, if I ever make 
> any direct changes to a particular slide’s format, it seems to disassociate 
> that slide from the master slide. So, after hours of composing and wrestling 
> with Impress’s master slides trying to get it all to behave, I find I often 
> just give up and move it all to LyX/Beamer just to get the job done.
> And in those cases where my slide design needs are particularly simple, I run 
> to Rstudio and Slidy to create a quick and dirty (and well behaved) slide 
> presentation.
> And, so I bounce back and forth between the programs using the one that will 
> let me get the job done efficiently. I find they all require considerable 
> commitment of time and effort to achieve the desired results. Each has some 
> feature I find maddening and each has some feature I find indispensable. In 
> short, despite my obsessive search for the perfect document processing 
> system, I have learned it doesn’t exist. I will continue to use whatever tool 
> best meets the need at hand. Sometimes it’s LyX, sometimes it’s LibreOffice 
> and sometimes it’s
> RMarkdown.

Thanks for this helpful comparison, Virgil! It was interesting for me to read 
about your experience and workflow.

I'm happy to have both LyX and LO and I'm very thankful to all of the 
developers giving their free time for these open source programs!


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