No excuse needed, great question.

It all depends on what you want to accomplish and the value of your data.  If 
you just have a few flat files with important data or pictures, things like 
that, maybe tax returns or what ever your method works just fine with the idea 
if you ever do lose a disk you’ll have to reinstall the OS and all your 
software by hand.

If you want something more automated and a little more fire and forget then 
maybe Time Machine makes sense.  You can back up on your external disk and if 
needed use multiple disks and take one off site if you’re really concerned 
about your data and there’s a lot to protect.
        If you’ve got real concerns about off site and you need your data 
backed up quickly you might want to go with a backup service that downloads 
your data and stores in the cloud.
        If you have more than one machine to back up then a network attached 
storage makes sense.  Say you have 3 computers in your home, instead of a disk 
for each you can get one larger network attached drive and backup your machines 
there all at the same time, no swapping of disks.

All depends on how much your data is worth by that i mean someone securing 
family pics might spend less effort than someone say securing backups of 
reversed engineered UFO drawings at Roswell.  (that’s for ET)  The more 
valuable the data the more effort you want to expend.

If you’re not concerned about rebuilding by hand your method should do just 
fine.  If you want something more automatic go Time Machine.

Hopefully that didn’t confuse the issue m ore but do ask if you have any 
further questions.  Backup is an important topic.  Especially in this age of 
ransom ware and malware.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:25 PM, christopher hallsworth <challswor...@icloud.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> So currently, I just use the copy and paste of all my personal files. So is 
> it better to do time machine backups then? Never explored this area so please 
> excuse any ignorance. Cheers!
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 18:05, John JD Denning <jdenning1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It appears there's been a lot of discussion on this subject. And I'm kind of 
>> surprise. Because I was just pointed out backing up the Mac is incredibly 
>> simple and straightforward. Go get a USB or thunderbolt hard drive plugged 
>> in and use Time Machine. That's the simplest way.
>> 
>> I do to back ups when using super Duper to a thunderbolt raid drive. That is 
>> incredibly fast. And I do a time machine back up to a USB three drive.
>> 
>> I love the clones, it's great to just be able to change your start up disk 
>> and be right where you were when you did the back up. Everyone should have a 
>> back up. It's just the cost of a external drive. Save yourself lots of 
>> aggravation and go out and get an external drive. If you ever need it you'll 
>> be glad you did
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 13:01, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> No again you’re wrong.  You do not need an airport or time capsule for time 
>>> machine.  That’s just nonsense.  Any hard disk will work.  You can connect 
>>> directly via USB, you can connect via network to some drives, you can use a 
>>> time capsule if you want, you can use an airport router with a hard drive 
>>> attached to provide backups to a whole network but these are not 
>>> requirements.  A single external pluggable hard disk is all you need.  
>>> Also, it totally restores on a blank disk, no reinstallation of programs or 
>>> operating system, it’s just a full backup which you can fully restore from. 
>>>  None of the rest matters a hill of beans.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>>>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>>>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>>>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self 
>>>>> talk.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot 
>>>>> off the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>>>>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>>>>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s 
>>>>> not a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to 
>>>>> exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a 
>>>>> terabyte tape library would that make my backup less valid because you 
>>>>> don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>>>>> school data just fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive. 
>>>>>>  It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
>>>>>> settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end 
>>>>>> of the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, 
>>>>>> show me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I 
>>>>>> hope taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly 
>>>>>> created by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
>>>>>> buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire 
>>>>>> on you, but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those 
>>>>>> features by no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro 
>>>>>> musician as a lot of you know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
>>>>>> dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
>>>>>> first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
>>>>>> said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire 
>>>>>> up Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
>>>>>> drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
>>>>>> disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
>>>>>> and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
>>>>>> working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
>>>>>> Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
>>>>>> backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if 
>>>>>> you catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, 
>>>>>> and apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to 
>>>>>> be the most optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup 
>>>>>> sollution like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in 
>>>>>> the long run, it just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: lscrivani
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
>>>>>>> computer before updating to Sierra
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
>>>>>>> your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the 
>>>>>>> backup.  If it does not for any reason either open finder and look 
>>>>>>> under apps and choose time machine.    If you need to  you can choose 
>>>>>>> the backup drive  and click to show it  the time machine app that is.
>>>>>>>    Louis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Helga Schreiber
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:29 AM
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
>>>>>>> computer before updating to Sierra
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to 
>>>>>>> Sierra guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my 
>>>>>>> information  I  have  and so on.  If so, I don't know how to set time 
>>>>>>> machine in order  to use it with my mac. Or   Is there any other tools 
>>>>>>> that you recommend  I can use in  order   to back up my information of 
>>>>>>> my mac computer better?  On my Mac computer I have VM  ware fusion 
>>>>>>> running windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use both of them for school 
>>>>>>> assignments and so on. I'm just backing up my information just in case 
>>>>>>> something  could occur with my computer. In regards of Virtual machines 
>>>>>>> they can also be back up in order  not to lose information of it right? 
>>>>>>>  I wil really  appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any feedback 
>>>>>>> about this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God 
>>>>>>> bless! 
>>>>>>> 
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