And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all!  I was trying to help for God 
given sake!  Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot to a backup.  In 
that sense, yes, it's a full backup.  I agree, but that wasn't my initial 
point, and I think I made it very clear as such.  I never said TM wasn't 
doable.  I only said it won't make a full bootable backup, which I, along with 
some others, might more prefer.  Don't say I speak crap, or whatever word you 
choose until you get your facts straight of what I actually said, not of what I 
didn't say nor imply.

Enough said.  I'm not participating in this thread anymore.  I've stated my 
personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently is nothing valued, 
so who cares! I'm done with it!  Figure the backup process out yourself.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Singing Sparrow 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
before updating to Sierra


  I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the like 
for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up would be 
more of the slutation then time machine.




  On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

    This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk. 


    Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup solutions 
aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a database or in an 
on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup.  If you 
restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were when that 
snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape library would that make my 
backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 


    Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
school data just fine.




      On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


      The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and settings, 
but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of the day, a 
true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show me how to boot 
from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope taken.  At least, if you 
*can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created by TM, then I'm totally 
unaware of how to do so.

      This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to 
buy and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by no 
means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a lot of 
you know.

      So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At first, 
usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being said, I don't 
use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up Super Dooper, take 
an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's current state, then, 
I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll 
back from that image I made, and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and 
right back in perfect working order as if I'd never updated to start with.

      So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full backup 
sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you catch my 
jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and apps, then OK, 
whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the most optimally safe 
as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution like Super Duper, or 
Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, it just may save you a day 
or more of hard hard work.
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        From: lscrivani
        To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
        Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra


          Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  If it 
does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and choose time 
machine.    If you need to  you can choose the backup drive  and click to show 
it  the time machine app that is.
            Louis


        From: Helga Schreiber
        Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:29 AM
        To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
        Subject: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
computer before updating to Sierra

        Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to 
Sierra guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my information  
I  have  and so on.  If so, I don't know how to set time machine in order  to 
use it with my mac. Or   Is there any other tools that you recommend  I can use 
in  order   to back up my information of my mac computer better?  On my Mac 
computer I have VM  ware fusion running windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use 
both of them for school assignments and so on. I'm just backing up my 
information just in case something  could occur with my computer. In regards of 
Virtual machines they can also be back up in order  not to lose information of 
it right?  I wil really  appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any 
feedback about this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God 
bless! 

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