Yep.  I've used a portable drive for Time Machine backups since getting my 
first Mac in 2009.  Works like a charm, no need for a router or anything else.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What on earth gave you the idea that you need an airport express router or a 
> time  capsule to do a back up? I have a hard drive that I've had for too long 
> frankly, and it houses my time machine back up with no time capsule and no 
> router. Just connect a hard drive and do the back up.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net 
> <mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
> 
>> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
>> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the 
>> like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
>> would be more of the slutation then time machine.
>> 
>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
>>> 
>>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
>>> the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup 
>>> solutions aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a 
>>> database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not 
>>> a full backup.  If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly 
>>> where you were when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape 
>>> library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from 
>>> tape?  I don’t get it. 
>>> 
>>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>>> school data just fine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
>>>> It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
>>>> settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of 
>>>> the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show 
>>>> me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope 
>>>> taken.  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created 
>>>> by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
>>>>  
>>>> This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to buy 
>>>> and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
>>>> but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by 
>>>> no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a 
>>>> lot of you know.
>>>>  
>>>> So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million 
>>>> dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At 
>>>> first, usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being 
>>>> said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up 
>>>> Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my 
>>>> drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes 
>>>> disastrous, it's no big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, 
>>>> and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect 
>>>> working order as if I'd never updated to start with.
>>>>  
>>>> So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
>>>> Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full 
>>>> backup sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you 
>>>> catch my jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and 
>>>> apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the 
>>>> most optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution 
>>>> like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, 
>>>> it just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
>>>> ---
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>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>  
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>>>>> From: lscrivani <mailto:lscriv...@verizon.net>
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
>>>>> computer before updating to Sierra
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
>>>>> your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  
>>>>> If it does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and 
>>>>> choose time machine.    If you need to  you can choose the backup drive  
>>>>> and click to show it  the time machine app that is.
>>>>>     Louis
>>>>>  
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:29 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>>>>> Subject: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
>>>>> before updating to Sierra
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to 
>>>>> Sierra guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my 
>>>>> information  I  have  and so on.  If so, I don't know how to set time 
>>>>> machine in order  to use it with my mac. Or   Is there any other tools 
>>>>> that you recommend  I can use in  order   to back up my information of my 
>>>>> mac computer better?  On my Mac computer I have VM  ware fusion running 
>>>>> windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use both of them for school assignments 
>>>>> and so on. I'm just backing up my information just in case something  
>>>>> could occur with my computer. In regards of Virtual machines they can 
>>>>> also be back up in order  not to lose information of it right?  I wil 
>>>>> really  appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any feedback about 
>>>>> this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
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