What on earth gave you the idea that you need an airport express router or a 
time  capsule to do a back up? I have a hard drive that I've had for too long 
frankly, and it houses my time machine back up with no time capsule and no 
router. Just connect a hard drive and do the back up.
Mary


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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Singing Sparrow <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up 
> and also since you need a time capsel, or airport       express router and 
> the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up 
> would be more of the slutation then       time machine.
> 
>> On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.
>> 
>> Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off 
>> the backup.  By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup solutions 
>> aren’t a backup either.  Just because the data is stored in a database or in 
>> an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup.  
>> If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were 
>> when that snapshot was taken.  IF I used a terabyte tape library would that 
>> make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape?  I don’t get it. 
>> 
>> Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that 
>> school data just fine.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive.  
>>> It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and 
>>> settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of 
>>> the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says.  For instance, show 
>>> me how to boot from a time machine backup.  You can't.  Point I hope taken. 
>>>  At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a  drive soly created by TM, 
>>> then I'm totally unaware of how to do so.
>>>  
>>> This is exactly why I use Super Duper.  Though they'd encourage you to buy 
>>> and register it, you don't actually have to.  It never will expire on you, 
>>> but there are just some features that won't be enabled.  Those features by 
>>> no means are door stoppers though.  For instance.  I'm a pro musician as a 
>>> lot of you know.
>>>  
>>> So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million dollar 
>>> question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems?  At first, 
>>> usually, the answer is no.  But, I always try anyway.  This being said, I 
>>> don't use Time Machine for those situations.  I'll instead fire up Super 
>>> Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's 
>>> current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no 
>>> big deal.  I just roll back from that image I made, and within an hour or 
>>> two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect working order as if I'd never 
>>> updated to start with.
>>>  
>>> So yeah, call me weird.  I like the idea of what Apple did with Time 
>>> Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full backup 
>>> sollution.  It's not.  It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you catch my 
>>> jidst.  If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and apps, then 
>>> OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the most 
>>> optimally safe as possible, then look  into a full backup sollution like 
>>> Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc.  Trust me, in the long run, it 
>>> just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
>>> ---
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>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
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>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: lscrivani
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:34 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac 
>>>> computer before updating to Sierra
>>>> 
>>>>   Time machine is extremely easy to use,  almost as soon as you connect 
>>>> your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup.  
>>>> If it does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and 
>>>> choose time machine.    If you need to  you can choose the backup drive  
>>>> and click to show it  the time machine app that is.
>>>>     Louis
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: Helga Schreiber
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:29 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer 
>>>> before updating to Sierra
>>>>  
>>>> Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to 
>>>> Sierra guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my 
>>>> information  I  have  and so on.  If so, I don't know how to set time 
>>>> machine in order                            to use it with my mac. Or   Is 
>>>> there any other tools that you recommend  I can use in  order   to back up 
>>>> my information of my mac computer better?  On my Mac computer I have VM  
>>>> ware fusion running windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use both of them for 
>>>> school assignments and so on. I'm just backing up my information just in 
>>>> case something  could occur with my computer. In regards of Virtual 
>>>> machines they can also be back up in order  not to lose information of it 
>>>> right?  I wil really  appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any 
>>>> feedback about this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and 
>>>> God bless! 
>>>> 
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