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May be I am too suspicious but my impression is that the capitalists are
using now the COVID-19 crisis to sack hundreds of thousands if not
millions of people and to cut wages. At least this is what has is
happening just now in Europe. I don't believe the US capitalists are
better. How do you want to fights against this under the conditions of
mass lock down?
And, again I might be too suspicious, but all the reports about the
massive expansion of the survaillance and police state might be also
difficult to stop without mass protests.
Obviously people from risk groups might prefer not to participate in
such street protests in such times. But shall all people now refrain
from fighting for their rights?!
And for how long shall we let work the capitalist state without
interference from the people? Or do you think we Marxists have been too
critical about the capitalist state in the past and this time, at the
COVID-19 crisis, we should trust it and accept that it takes much more
powers than it did until now? I don't think so.
Anyway, I can not imagine how the health care system should improve
without mass protests?! Online petitions are usually not particularly
successful on such issues.
Am 18.03.2020 um 20:54 schrieb Mark Lause:
Sorry, I thought my reference to the election made it clear that I was
generally talking about the United States. Howver the warnings about
concentrations of large numbers of people remains valid under these
conditions.
Simply because the capitalist media may say that the sky is blue
doesn't mean that it's pink with Orange polka dots.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 3:20 PM RKOB via Marxism
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I do not agree with you in 2 points:
1) there has been indeed a global wave of mass protests since
mid-2019
not seen since many decades. This has been even recognized by a
recently
published study of a bourgeois think-tank. We have reported about
this
in an article
(https://www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/global/confirmation-of-revolutionary-character-of-historic-period/)
The current counter-revolutionary offensive using the COVID-19
crisis as
cover is a strike against this global wave of popular uprisings.
2) Mass lock down of millions of people and suppressing democratic
rights like demonstrating and assembling helps the ruling class,
not the
oppressed. It also does not help in itself to contain the COVID-19
pandemic. Look to Italy where you have a lock down and people die.
South
Korea has mass testing, free healt care and and a good health carse
system. This why it managed the crisis without mass lock down.
Trusting the capitalist state and its propaganda is never a good
guide!
Am 18.03.2020 um 12:37 schrieb Mark Lause via Marxism:
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> I apologize if I'm repeating points already made in the
discussion but it's
> important that they "take" . . . .
>
> It is the nature of epidemics like this that people who don't
have symptoms
> spread the disease, and this is much worse than other examples
because the
> symptoms seem to hit people differently. A large number of
people are said
> to have already had it and shaken it off in a few days, while it
can be
> fatal for a significant minority of those who get it. Gathering
in large
> numbers spreads the virus quicker. Not doing this is to avoid
crashing the
> resources of an ill-prepared health care system, including the
people
> needed to run it.
>
> Beyond these obvious medical realities, this pandemic is not
only slamming
> us, but it's starting to pull down their economy, bit by bit,
and I heard
> one of the talking heads on the idiot box are discussing the
possibility of
> coming out of this with an unemployment rate of 20% (and they're
thinking
> in government figures).
>
> When I look out on the absence of mass demonstrations in the
streets today,
> it looks precisely like the absence of mass demonstrations in
the streets
> before the pandemic hit. There are other reasons we don't have
large
> numbers in the street than the distancing brought on by the
pandemic.
>
> Building a movement is part of a process. Take this time of
isolation to
> read a book and discuss it online. And/or hold online classes.
Make and
> retain contacts for the future. There's much productive to be
done in the
> here and now that will be useful in the future, particularly
with a work
> force that will be wiser, angrier, and hopefully more ready to
take to the
> streets..
>
> What will not be useful at this point is getting those willing
to gather in
> large groups disproportionately infected or putting them in a
position to
> get their family, friends and coworkers sick.
>
> Solidarity,
> Mark L.
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