"t he degree of labour unrest" ( https://jacobin.com/2012/08/china-in-revolt )
https://jacobin.com/2012/08/china-in-revolt ( https://jacobin.com/2012/08/china-in-revolt ) Reading " historical high point of such worker militancy were of course the workers'soviets which played a pivotal role in the Bolshevik Revolution and which *were emulated in other warring countries* inspired by the events in Russia. But the 30’s also saw sit-down strikes for union recognition in a non-revolutionary context. Where *the revolutions succeeded in overthrowing capitalism, the working class movement quickly split. The anarchist and syndicalist minority demanded that the workers exercise direct control of production through a pyramid of self-governing councils w* hile the victorious Communist parties in the Soviet Union, China, and elsewhere insisted that production necessarily had to be planned and executed through the party and *the workers' state*." I must admit that I have been living on a different planet. As I wrote earlier in some of my comments there was no socialism in any so-called socialist country, only Stalinism ( One-party system, planned economy where party bureaucracy decides everything, top-down directives, no democracy for workers or citizens ). I can't understand why anyone who read Karl Marx's "The Civil War in France" can think that there was some kind of socialism in any of the so-called socialist countries, especially China. Or, words by Engels "Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Well and good, gentlemen, do you want to know what this dictatorship looks like? Look at the Paris Commune. That was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat." https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/postscript.htm I also used to live in a country where I was a member of a factory working cancel where we discussed a lot of things regarding our factory where I worked. The main issue was that some communist party local leader could stop any of our decisions if he got some instructions from the above. There was a lot of resistance from workers but it was all in vain. That was so-called market socialism but where there is no real workers' democracy, there is no socialism. We call that self-management, but when you have one party, not a very democratic one, which controls everything that is again some kind of Stalinism. Some are calling so-called socialist countries such as China a worker state: where workers do not have any rights and freedom to organize themself or take part in controlling their lives and the communist party bureaucrats decide everything. I apologize for this comment, as I promised that I would just follow you and read. You can ignore it as usual. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#29535): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/29535 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/104961025/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
