To clarify, I mentioned in the the original thread on DMT that there were only a couple of religions who did NOT ascribe to the use of psycho-actives, and when I say that there are few people anymore who are willing to do the work necessary, I mean in those genres. That would be in the Christian and Eastern sects where extreme asceticism is required, such as fasting for 40 days and nights, or extreme pain rituals such as self flagellation.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is not a > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants, > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity, > perhaps two to three times as old as that. > > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything, > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without > them. > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you don't >> deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a >> spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern america I >> guess. >> >> On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice the rituals to >>> the degree necessary to self manufacture the amounts of DMT necessary to >>> have the "religious experience". Buddhist monks, perhaps, and some extreme >>> branches of Catholicism who still practice flagellation. For the rest of >>> us, a legitimately altered state of reality is not likely to occur without >>> assistance. >>> >>> >>> >>> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >>> <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12 -0700 >>> (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of Out >>> of Body Experiences... >>> >>> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you tossed >>> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget! >>> >>> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their faith in >>> the way they see fit without interference from big brother. >>> >>> The question is, though, why do religions need to use hallucinogens if >>> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs? >>> >>> Just a thought. >>> >>> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:> A >>> Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian plants for the >>> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is legal: >>> >>> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI... >>> >>> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? DMT. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
