I even saw the sawing gestures you made, Chris, !
On Mar 24, 10:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> Congratulations, you're a stoic. You're in good company...Marcus
> Aurelius would agree with you completely. And yes, if someone saws
> your leg off without anesthetic, you will most certainly see God.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Get rid of it all. We're all a bunch of pansies. We need to go back
> > to the days when they pulled teeth with pliars. Thats when men were
> > MEN. :)
>
> > On Mar 23, 7:22 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery?
>
> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Chris,
> >> > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their
> >> > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the
> >> > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of
> >> > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy
> >> > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that.
> >> > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good
> >> > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of
> >> > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance
> >> > of pleasure, then what argument do you have?
> >> > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of
> >> > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs
> >> > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more harm
> >> > than good.
>
> >> > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe
> >> >> itself. The New Age movement is particularly American, and for the most
> >> >> part, abstains from the chemical roots of the religions that it borrows
> >> >> many of its philosophies from. It's an interesting contradiction to
> >> >> your accurate observation.
>
> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig
> >> >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\""
> >> >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700
> >> >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of
> >> >> Out of Body Experiences...
>
> >> >> Chris,
> >> >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are always
> >> >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth
> >> >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient.
>
> >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is not a
> >> >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants,
> >> >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has
> >> >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity,
> >> >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that.
>
> >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything,
> >> >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without
> >> >> > them.
>
> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig
> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you don't
> >> >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a
> >> >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern
> >> >> > > america I
> >> >> > > guess.
>
> >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice the
> >> >> > >> rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the amounts of
> >> >> > >> DMT necessary to have the "religious experience". Buddhist monks,
> >> >> > >> perhaps, and some extreme branches of Catholicism who still
> >> >> > >> practice flagellation. For the rest of us, a legitimately altered
> >> >> > >> state of reality is not likely to occur without assistance.
>
> >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds
> >> >> > >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12
> >> >> > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re:
> >> >> > >> Speaking of Out of Body Experiences...
>
> >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you
> >> >> > >> tossed
> >> >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget!
>
> >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their faith
> >> >> > >> in
> >> >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother.
>
> >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use
> >> >> > >> hallucinogens if
> >> >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs?
>
> >> >> > >> Just a thought.
>
> >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
> >> >> > >> wrote:> A Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian
> >> >> > >> plants for the
> >> >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is
> >> >> > >> > legal:
>
> >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI...
>
> >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? DMT.- Hide quoted
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