Congratulations, you're a stoic. You're in good company...Marcus Aurelius would agree with you completely. And yes, if someone saws your leg off without anesthetic, you will most certainly see God.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > Get rid of it all. We're all a bunch of pansies. We need to go back > to the days when they pulled teeth with pliars. Thats when men were > MEN. :) > > On Mar 23, 7:22 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Chris, >> > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their >> > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the >> > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of >> > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy >> > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that. >> > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good >> > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of >> > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance >> > of pleasure, then what argument do you have? >> > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of >> > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs >> > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more harm >> > than good. >> >> > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe itself. >> >> The New Age movement is particularly American, and for the most part, >> >> abstains from the chemical roots of the religions that it borrows many of >> >> its philosophies from. It's an interesting contradiction to your accurate >> >> observation. >> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700 >> >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of >> >> Out of Body Experiences... >> >> >> Chris, >> >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are always >> >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth >> >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient. >> >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is not a >> >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants, >> >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has >> >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity, >> >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that. >> >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything, >> >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without >> >> > them. >> >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you don't >> >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a >> >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern america I >> >> > > guess. >> >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice the >> >> > >> rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the amounts of >> >> > >> DMT necessary to have the "religious experience". Buddhist monks, >> >> > >> perhaps, and some extreme branches of Catholicism who still practice >> >> > >> flagellation. For the rest of us, a legitimately altered state of >> >> > >> reality is not likely to occur without assistance. >> >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> >> > >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12 >> >> > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: >> >> > >> Speaking of Out of Body Experiences... >> >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you tossed >> >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget! >> >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their faith in >> >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother. >> >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use hallucinogens >> >> > >> if >> >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs? >> >> >> > >> Just a thought. >> >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> > >> wrote:> A Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian plants >> >> > >> for the >> >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is legal: >> >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI... >> >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? 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