What about anesthesia for dental procedures, or surgery? On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> wrote: > > Chris, > I'm very unsympathetic to the marijuana apologists arguments. Their > arguments always appeal to weakness. I'm of the philosophy that the > only good arguments are the arguments that appeal to a position of > strength. If you want a spiritual experience, why do it the easy > way? Its good for the soul to have to work for something like that. > And why would you want drugs to relieve you from pain? Pain is good > for the soul as well. And if you don't stand in the position of > defending drugs from the argument of absence from pain, or abundance > of pleasure, then what argument do you have? > So in sum, I disagree with the aims of drug use. (i.e. avoidance of > pain, excess of pleasure) And even if I agreed with the aims, drugs > don't sufficiently accomplish those aims. They end up doing more harm > than good. > > On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> I understand. I thought you were making a judgement of the tribe itself. The >> New Age movement is particularly American, and for the most part, abstains >> from the chemical roots of the religions that it borrows many of its >> philosophies from. It's an interesting contradiction to your accurate >> observation. >> >> >> >> [ Attached Message ]From:Kierkecraig <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:13:11 -0700 >> (PDT)Local:Mon, Mar 23 2009 1:13 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of Out >> of Body Experiences... >> >> Chris, >> What I meant by perfect fit for modern america is that we are always >> looking for a quick fix. We Americans don't like to put forth >> effort. I did not mean that physchodelic drugs are not ancient. >> >> On Mar 22, 9:43 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Ayahuasca tea, along with the ritual use of amanita muscaria, is not a >> > modern american ritual at all. These are South American immigrants, >> > Craig. Did you not read the article? This is a religion that has >> > archaeological evidence dating it at least as old as Christianity, >> > perhaps two to three times as old as that. >> >> > Nothing modern at all about the use of psycho-actives. If anything, >> > it's a modern idea that you can achieve a "spiritual state" without >> > them. >> >> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Kierkecraig <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> > > Maybe if you aren't willing to put forth the effort, then you don't >> > > deserve the experience. Sounds like these hallucinogens are a >> > > spiritual experience for the lazy. A perfect fit for modern america I >> > > guess. >> >> > > On Mar 22, 7:10 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> I would posit that there are few people anymore who practice the >> > >> rituals to the degree necessary to self manufacture the amounts of DMT >> > >> necessary to have the "religious experience". Buddhist monks, perhaps, >> > >> and some extreme branches of Catholicism who still practice >> > >> flagellation. For the rest of us, a legitimately altered state of >> > >> reality is not likely to occur without assistance. >> >> > >> [ Attached Message ]From:Slip Disc <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> > >> <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:07:12 -0700 >> > >> (PDT)Local:Sun, Mar 22 2009 5:07 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Speaking of >> > >> Out of Body Experiences... >> >> > >> I guess I'm going to have to take another look at the DMT you tossed >> > >> at me on another occasion, you see Chris, I didn't forget! >> >> > >> I'm glad that people can have the liberty to practice their faith in >> > >> the way they see fit without interference from big brother. >> >> > >> The question is, though, why do religions need to use hallucinogens if >> > >> there is sufficiency in their spiritual beliefs? >> >> > >> Just a thought. >> >> > >> On Mar 22, 12:28 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > >> A Judge in Oregon has ruled that the use of Amazonian plants for the >> > >> > purpose of legitimate religious hallucinogenic experience is legal: >> >> > >> >http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OR_HALLUCINOGENIC_TEA_OROL-?SI... >> >> > >> > The active ingredient for the "Spirit Walk"? DMT.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >
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