But the whole point here, Tink, was that this wasn't about debate, or argument, but about opinion, and feeling, and how that translates into lifestyle. I don't care about justification or condemnation. I'm more interested in what it means and feels like to other people. You, along with everyone else here, have been providing that. Analyzing it now as some sort of qualitative position fails the point of the topic, which is an open ended question, not a position. Peace and Love, my friend.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > One can adopt a point of view, with Love, to justify or condemn > anything. > > peace & Love > > On May 4, 7:12 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> ...and thus the discussion of the nature of Love. I'm sure Hinckley >> would have something to contribute to the conversation. >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Love can be a powerful source for murder in the mind of a psycho. >> >> > peace & Love >> >> > On May 4, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ...and yet Love can be a powerful source for all these things. >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > I would think the 'exploding in the arts' would be better classified >> >> > as insight, inspiration or revelation rather than Love. >> >> >> > peace & Love >> >> >> > On May 4, 6:28 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Yes. It explodes in the arts. Have done the whole trip- painting, >> >> >> music, needlearts, poetry, gardening, cooking, diplomas. It still >> >> >> doesn't cure a lost heart. I am now a hermitess living in a grand >> >> >> house. My children are scattered and I was a good mother to them. >> >> >> Maybe that is Love. >> >> >> >> On May 4, 5:04 pm, Rosey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Love is beauty and pain defined. But in order to experience the pain >> >> >> > you must see its beauty. Which often happens unexpectedly. I wish I >> >> >> > wasn't one of those people that think with their heart. What is the >> >> >> > value of brilliance when the actions of your heart blind you from >> >> >> > using it? When I think of love, it's a deep, deep, longing for >> >> >> > passion. Perhaps a flight without a plane. Or a swim without water. >> >> >> > Maybe even a delicacy tasted without swallowing. It's there but your >> >> >> > wary from it, worried about losing it, careful but not capable of >> >> >> > determining whether you keep it or not, as love does change. It gives >> >> >> > one the ability to things they would never expect. >> >> >> >> > For example: I was able to play a tune on the piano, yet I don't play >> >> >> > the piano. No, not expertly, I would post a link to it but would be >> >> >> > worried about getting critiqued by experts. I am no expert and don't >> >> >> > play the piano, never have, we bought a keyboard about two months >> >> >> > ago, >> >> >> > yet I managed a whole heart felt tune, I closed my eyes and let my >> >> >> > fingers work their own magic. Do you think love gives one >> >> >> > abilities? >> >> >> >> > On May 4, 5:46 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > I am one of you- though disappointed and resigned. I look back >> >> >> > > over my >> >> >> > > life as a grief of love. Take my heart but spare me my money. The >> >> >> > > last >> >> >> > > time I heard "jaded" was from my highschool sweetheart who I dated >> >> >> > > for >> >> >> > > a year after he divorced from a 30 year marriage. He was still a >> >> >> > > jerk >> >> >> > > and died soon after I left him. Stuff happens. >> >> >> >> > > On May 4, 3:54 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > Hmmm...I don't know, from what I hear, age is no barrier to love >> >> >> > > > nor lust. ;) >> >> >> >> > > > Glad to have you aboard. Strong opening salvo, though! No soft >> >> >> > > > spot at >> >> >> > > > all for us romantics? >> >> >> >> > > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > > Thank you for Monday's laugh! One is allowed. Two would be >> >> >> > > > > lethal.// I >> >> >> > > > > wasn't sure this thought would get through but I would like to >> >> >> > > > > read >> >> >> > > > > along in this group. I am a grandmother so somewhat protected >> >> >> > > > > from >> >> >> > > > > foolish fancy even in the lusty month of May. I lust after >> >> >> > > > > William >> >> >> > > > > Safire. :-) Anyway, thanks for the welcome.// >> >> >> >> > > > > On May 4, 10:35 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> Ah, the voice of the jaded. >> >> >> >> > > > >> Welcome, Rigsy. Care to tell us a story? >> >> >> >> > > > >> [ Attached Message ]From:rigsy03 >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> >> >> > > > >> <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 06:16:08 >> >> >> > > > >> -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 8:16 amSubject:[Mind's Eye] >> >> >> > > > >> Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> >> > > > >> Love is a myth and marketing tool. >> >> >> >> > > > >> On May 4, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > >> > Not always, but definitely at least sometimes. There is >> >> >> > > > >> > much healing in a loving touch. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > [ Attached Message ]From:Rosey >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> >> >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Mon, 4 May 2009 05:53:04 >> >> >> > > > >> > -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 7:53 amSubject:[Mind's >> >> >> > > > >> > Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> >> > > > >> > Is affection healing? Can a person kiss and hug the pain >> >> >> > > > >> > away? I >> >> >> > > > >> > believe this tactic works. But for some it does not. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 4, 8:41 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > I think I understand and I do appreciate your words here >> >> >> > > > >> > > Vam. We all, >> >> >> > > > >> > > each of us, deserve to be surrounded by those that love us >> >> >> > > > >> > > unconditionally, and allow us to be who we are as we >> >> >> > > > >> > > evolve and >> >> >> > > > >> > > awaken. The key for me has been to provide this to those >> >> >> > > > >> > > around me. I >> >> >> > > > >> > > have found that in doing so, I am surrounded by folks who >> >> >> > > > >> > > can love in >> >> >> > > > >> > > the same way. This does not mean that I allow myself to >> >> >> > > > >> > > be exploited >> >> >> > > > >> > > or abused, because I think that a part of unconditional >> >> >> > > > >> > > love is >> >> >> > > > >> > > bringing such behavior by the other to light, and then >> >> >> > > > >> > > moving away >> >> >> > > > >> > > from it, allowing the other to learn or not. There are >> >> >> > > > >> > > times when >> >> >> > > > >> > > compassion is enough and the relationship becoming >> >> >> > > > >> > > peripheral is in >> >> >> > > > >> > > perfect order. Your unconditional love then includes >> >> >> > > > >> > > honesty, >> >> >> > > > >> > > appreciation and psychological safety for all. These can >> >> >> > > > >> > > be provided >> >> >> > > > >> > > through deep intimacy or great distance. There is a grace >> >> >> > > > >> > > that leads >> >> >> > > > >> > > the way. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > On May 4, 12:49 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > > >> > > wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > " Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> >> >> > > > >> > > > important part >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of the relationship to me ... " >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > And Grace, both while giving to and receiving from ... >> >> >> > > > >> > > > But, valuable >> >> >> > > > >> > > > and important as they are, these are still the >> >> >> > > > >> > > > atmospherics. The >> >> >> > > > >> > > > crucial part is the quality of ' being ' individuals >> >> >> > > > >> > > > sense within >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, and the opportunity they have to ' be ' >> >> >> > > > >> > > > themselves, to >> >> >> > > > >> > > > grow and evolve and continue to transform the ' I - >> >> >> > > > >> > > > Space ' within to >> >> >> > > > >> > > > greater sense of strength, happiness, freedom and self >> >> >> > > > >> > > > - discovery. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We are all striving for that rich and pregnant ground >> >> >> > > > >> > > > of ' I - space ' >> >> >> > > > >> > > > in which our finitude dissolves. The others are >> >> >> > > > >> > > > important to us, in >> >> >> > > > >> > > > this context, for the atmospherics they cause or >> >> >> > > > >> > > > contribute to. It can >> >> >> > > > >> > > > aid or mar the ' awakening.' >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > We each love the other, for the love of our Self ! >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ( I waited long before punching the ' Send ' button, >> >> >> > > > >> > > > wondering if what >> >> >> > > > >> > > > I'm posting makes any sense. Even, if it is appropriate >> >> >> > > > >> > > > ? ) >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > On May 4, 7:57 am, Chris Jenkins >> >> >> > > > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I think (a very necessary disclaimer in topics such >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > as these) that the secret may be to only require >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > commitment from your partner, to continue to freely >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > be who you are, and expect the same from them, and to >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > strive for the happy balance of compromise and >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > acceptance in the places where friction inevitably >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > occurs. Sometimes we align ourselves with partners >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > who have drastically different life goals, and that's >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > simply not possible. Other times our partners, or we >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > ourselves, are in a self destructive place which is >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > simply not conducive to a healthy relationship. If, >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > however, we are both aligned similarly, and both >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > committed to that goal, then a zen state of love, >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > where it is not questioned, but simply is, seems to >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > me to be the path to a long term bliss. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > If everyday, despite the day I've had, I make the >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > effort to express some portion of Eros energy to my >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > partner, even if in no other form than text message, >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > I've "been", in the zen sense, affirmed the love, >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > made it be by being it. When that is affirmed in >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > reply, that circle is completed. The actual physical >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > expenditure of the ritual is miniscule, yet the >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > effect is powerful. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Affection, in all forms, is an extremely valuable and >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > important part of the relationship to me, which Is >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > just one of the many ides of Love I inherit from my >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > Father. He's still married to my Mom, and from all >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > appearances, still in love with her in an Eros kind >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > of way. :-D It's a strong archetype to have in your >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > head of what a long term love can be. I can't imagine >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > the idea of my Father being unfaithful to my Mom. >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > It's inconceivable to me. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > It strikes me Neil that one of the problems with Love >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > is that most of the wisdom about it doesn't come >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > until our later years, and many of us either don't >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > have a proper Sage around, or are a bit too damn fool >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > hardy in our youths to listen if we do. >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>Date:Sun, 3 May 2009 >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > 18:30:21 -0700 (PDT)Local:Mon, May 4 2009 6:30 >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > amSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: What is the nature of Love? >> >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > There is some thinking that love is over-stated and >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > leads to over- >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > expectation, perhaps rather strangely making loving >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > relationship more >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > difficult than it needs to be. Raising any of us >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > fallible humans to a >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > golden pedestal is to put whoever it is before a >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > fall. One can >> >> >> > > > >> > > > > certainly be loving and >> >> ... >> >> read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
