I personally don't see it as an unfortunate role. I see that some women see it as an unfortunate role.
I've always had the feeling that you, rigsy, were never all that thrilled with the marital/motherhood roles. Comments you have made in the past like........... "The world belongs to men. Children are sandbags to a woman's dream." It is your statement that labels it the unfortunate role. I would say it is an unfortunate role for those who are unhappy with it. The sandbags as you call them got in the way of your dreams. You also stated; "I don't think men and women are equal. Men can move along. Women must be the good mother and nurture their children. Provide an example- blah-blah blah. It's biology or the lessons from lions. " This again does not sound like you are overly joyed with it. I just get the impression that you are somewhat disgruntled with the whole picture and my post is a reflection of that. I should revise my post as to indicate it's specific nature and not a gender generalization. My apology smology! On Jun 29, 9:39 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > Also religious channels. What noose? Some women do not get, want, > accept alimony and child support. Yes- we do have choices sometimes as > simple as saying "no" othertimes accepting the consequences of saying > "yes". And some beautiful women do not choose to use that beauty as a > weapon or allurement- like a marketing tool. It is no small > accomplishment to raise children to maturity and healthy adjustment as > their caretaker- if that's what you see as motherhood- it's about 24 > years per child by the time they can really fly on their own. I > enjoyed my motherhood years. Why do you see it as an "unfortunate > role"? > > On Jun 29, 3:29 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No dear woman, women use their sexuality because women are sexual > > creatures capable of alluring the most formidable opponent. When > > women realize the power of their sexuality they are not nearly women > > but yet girls. It is a women's unfortunate role that leads to > > entrapment within a circle of the offspring caretaker, and you are > > right, we men can just move on, like lions we are free, like bears we > > give the seed that gives the birth with which you are eternally > > connected to. Don't blame us for our lot in life for we, no more than > > you, have choice. It is only through legal political channels that you > > have put a noose on our necks. When you submit you should be well > > informed of the ramifications and in that sense it takes one. > > > On Jun 29, 2:30 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have been in those situations, as well, which are sincere friendly > > > gestures but I have also seen the corrupted routine both in business > > > and social relations which are basically a form of control. Women use > > > their sexuality because the culture has fostered its rewards. It takes > > > two. > > > > On Jun 29, 4:50 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > When I moved into my community the welcoming committee came by to drop > > > > off a basket full of gifts as a way of saying hello. We took the > > > > gifts and had a great time without feeling any need for > > > > reciprocation. I had a neighbor give me two tickets to the symphony > > > > because he and his wife could not go on that date, they were great > > > > seats. He never came by to ask any favors and a year later they moved > > > > away. I give away gifts all the time and think that giving begins a > > > > cycle of giving. Those that receive learn that giving can be as > > > > rewarding as receiving. I can see that in the business world buying > > > > lavish gifts for the management might be construed as a request for > > > > special treatment and I have seen some fine women climb the corporate > > > > ladder via their sexual prowess, if that can be considered a gift. > > > > > On Jun 29, 1:08 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I wonder why may I accept a ' gift ' from someone who I do not even > > > > > know, to whom I myself have never offered one ( gift ) or ( left to > > > > > myself ) would never desire to ! > > > > > > " Integrity does not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift." > > > > > > Read the first para. Why else would one accept a gift ? Unless it is > > > > > token, read ' costing next to nothing,' say, flowers. > > > > > > On Jun 29, 9:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Gifts are good, I like gifts, what's wrong with gifts? Integrity > > > > > > does > > > > > > not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift. A gift should not be > > > > > > preconceived as a bribe. The corrupted have made it so because they > > > > > > took gifts in exchange for favor but this does not set a standard. > > > > > > We > > > > > > continually diminish our quality of life on the basis of those that > > > > > > are unethical, why let them ruin it for the rest of us? Give and > > > > > > Receive without strings! > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:56 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > accepting business gifts should be > > > > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the > > > > > > > > receiver. -iam > > > > > > > > I agree only in the public sector. I work for the State so pretty > > > > > > > much the same thing applies to me. While people still accept > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > to sporting events and lunches and cases of booze on the holidays > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > complimentary fishing/hunting trips; it really is graft and > > > > > > > shouldn't > > > > > > > be done. However, in the private sector this is often how things > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > done. It's how the service provider buys access. Tax money isn't > > > > > > > used to pay for the services so I don't have a problem with it. If > > > > > > > large corporations didn't use this technique to gain access to > > > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > potential customers we would never get their business. > > > > > > > > I commend your wife on her integrity. It's a rare trait. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, iam > > > > > > > deheretic<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Chomsky has my vote along with slipsky of course. > > > > > > > > > Well the Palestinian people elected one party and the US and > > > > > > > > Israel would > > > > > > > > only support the losers. Radical changes are going to need to > > > > > > > > be made,, but > > > > > > > > There is the lingering doubt that the will is there. I am > > > > > > > > hoping for health > > > > > > > > care, but as long as the politicians are exempt from the > > > > > > > > bribery laws it > > > > > > > > will never happen. > > > > > > > > > I am looking at the difference in countries. My wife is the > > > > > > > > officer in > > > > > > > > charge of quality control for the fire department.. and she was > > > > > > > > offered > > > > > > > > tickets for her and me to a polo match free. Well we had to > > > > > > > > turn them down > > > > > > > > and make a report of it. It has to do with honesty in > > > > > > > > government. > > > > > > > > > The truth is I am glad to see that there are people watching > > > > > > > > and much more > > > > > > > > of it needs to occur, every where ,, accepting business gifts > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the > > > > > > > > receiver. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it: > > > > > > > > >>http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy... > > > > > > > > >> On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering who > > > > > > > >> > is > > > > > > > >> > controlling > > > > > > > >> > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence > > > > > > > >> > demonstrated > > > > > > > >> > and > > > > > > > >> > used for control. As for the people being angry. could they > > > > > > > >> > be > > > > > > > >> > frustrated, > > > > > > > >> > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear > > > > > > > >> > to control, > > > > > > > >> > it > > > > > > > >> > would seem to be more frustration than anger. > > > > > > > > >> > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep seated > > > > > > > >> > need to > > > > > > > >> > believe > > > > > > > >> > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I > > > > > > > >> > can not help > > > > > > > >> > but > > > > > > > >> > wonder what is really going on. > > > > > > > >> > Allan > > > > > > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained > > > > > > > >> > > in the > > > > > > > >> > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It is > > > > > > > >> > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective > > > > > > > >> > > expression of > > > > > > > >> > > anger in anarchy. > > > > > > > > >> > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are ego > > > > > > > >> > > based > > > > > > > >> > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less > > > > > > > >> > > and less > > > > > > > >> > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily > > > > > > > >> > > centered in our > > > > > > > >> > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its frustration > > > > > > > >> > > is often > > > > > > > >> > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of > > > > > > > >> > > others, can be > > > > > > > >> > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in > > > > > > > >> > > consideration > > > > > > > >> > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for > > > > > > > >> > > all > > > > > > > >> > > involved. > > > > > > > > >> > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader > > > > > > > >> > > perspectives of > > > > > > > >> > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the integrated > > > > > > > >> > > expression > > > > > > > >> > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where > > > > > > > >> > > anger of > > > > > > > >> > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger arising > > > > > > > >> > > in self can > > > > > > > >> > > be witnessed in patterns that have a more soulful > > > > > > > >> > > revelation of who I > > > > > > > >> > > am. > > > > > > > > >> > > Beyond that, there is only love and I am. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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