Yes- mothers must quash themselves. It's biology and society. You
might ask why certain women have avoided marriage and motherhood
rather than keeping track of me.
On Jun 29, 10:16�pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> I personally don't see it as an unfortunate role. � I see that some
> women see it as an unfortunate role.
>
> I've always had the feeling that you, rigsy, were never all that
> thrilled with the marital/motherhood roles. Comments you have made in
> the past like...........
>
> "The world belongs to men. Children are sandbags to a woman's dream."
>
> It is your statement that labels it the unfortunate role. � I would
> say it is an unfortunate role for those who are unhappy with it. �The
> sandbags as you call them got in the way of your dreams.
>
> You also stated;
> "I don't think men and women are equal. Men can move along. Women must
> be the good mother and nurture their children. Provide an example-
> blah-blah blah. It's
> biology or the lessons from lions. "
>
> This again does not sound like you are overly joyed with it. �I just
> get the impression that you are somewhat disgruntled with the whole
> picture and my post is a reflection of that.
>
> I should revise my post as to indicate it's specific nature and not a
> gender generalization.
> My apology smology!
>
> On Jun 29, 9:39�pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Also religious channels. What noose? Some women do not get, want,
> > accept alimony and child support. Yes- we do have choices sometimes as
> > simple as saying "no" othertimes accepting the consequences of saying
> > "yes". And some beautiful women do not choose to use that beauty as a
> > weapon or allurement- like a marketing tool. It is no small
> > accomplishment to raise children to maturity and healthy adjustment as
> > their caretaker- if that's what you see as motherhood- it's about 24
> > years per child by the time they can really fly on their own. I
> > enjoyed my motherhood years. Why do you see it as an "unfortunate
> > role"?
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:29 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > No dear woman, women use their sexuality because women are sexual
> > > creatures capable of alluring the most formidable opponent. When
> > > women realize the power of their sexuality they are not nearly women
> > > but yet girls. It is a women's unfortunate role that leads to
> > > entrapment within a circle of the offspring caretaker, and you are
> > > right, we men can just move on, like lions we are free, like bears we
> > > give the seed that gives the birth with which you are eternally
> > > connected to. Don't blame us for our lot in life for we, no more than
> > > you, have choice. It is only through legal political channels that you
> > > have put a noose on our necks. When you submit you should be well
> > > informed of the ramifications and in that sense it takes one.
>
> > > On Jun 29, 2:30 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I have been in those situations, as well, which are sincere friendly
> > > > gestures but I have also seen the corrupted routine both in business
> > > > and social relations which are basically a form of control. Women use
> > > > their sexuality because the culture has fostered its rewards. It takes
> > > > two.
>
> > > > On Jun 29, 4:50 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > When I moved into my community the welcoming committee came by to drop
> > > > > off a basket full of gifts as a way of saying hello. We took the
> > > > > gifts and had a great time without feeling any need for
> > > > > reciprocation. I had a neighbor give me two tickets to the symphony
> > > > > because he and his wife could not go on that date, they were great
> > > > > seats. He never came by to ask any favors and a year later they moved
> > > > > away. I give away gifts all the time and think that giving begins a
> > > > > cycle of giving. Those that receive learn that giving can be as
> > > > > rewarding as receiving. I can see that in the business world buying
> > > > > lavish gifts for the management might be construed as a request for
> > > > > special treatment and I have seen some fine women climb the corporate
> > > > > ladder via their sexual prowess, if that can be considered a gift.
>
> > > > > On Jun 29, 1:08 am, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I wonder why may I accept a ' gift ' from someone who I do not even
> > > > > > know, to whom I myself have never offered one ( gift ) or ( left to
> > > > > > myself ) would never desire to !
>
> > > > > > " Integrity does not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift."
>
> > > > > > Read the first para. Why else would one accept a gift ? Unless it is
> > > > > > token, read ' costing next to nothing,' say, flowers.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 29, 9:21 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Gifts are good, I like gifts, what's wrong with gifts? Integrity
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > not have to be lost upon the receipt of a gift. A gift should not
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > preconceived as a bribe. The corrupted have made it so because
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > took gifts in exchange for favor but this does not set a
> > > > > > > standard. We
> > > > > > > continually diminish our quality of life on the basis of those
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > are unethical, why let them ruin it for the rest of us? Give and
> > > > > > > Receive without strings!
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:56 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > accepting business gifts should be
>
> > > > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the
> > > > > > > > > receiver. -iam
>
> > > > > > > > I agree only in the public sector. I work for the State so
> > > > > > > > pretty
> > > > > > > > much the same thing applies to me. While people still accept
> > > > > > > > tickets
> > > > > > > > to sporting events and lunches and cases of booze on the
> > > > > > > > holidays and
> > > > > > > > complimentary fishing/hunting trips; it really is graft and
> > > > > > > > shouldn't
> > > > > > > > be done. However, in the private sector this is often how
> > > > > > > > things are
> > > > > > > > done. It's how the service provider buys access. Tax money isn't
> > > > > > > > used to pay for the services so I don't have a problem with it.
> > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > large corporations didn't use this technique to gain access to
> > > > > > > > foreign
> > > > > > > > potential customers we would never get their business.
>
> > > > > > > > I commend your wife on her integrity. It's a rare trait.
>
> > > > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:00 AM, iam
> > > > > > > > deheretic<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Chomsky has my vote along with slipsky of course.
>
> > > > > > > > > Well the Palestinian people elected one party and the US and
> > > > > > > > > Israel would
> > > > > > > > > only support the losers. Radical changes are going to need to
> > > > > > > > > be made,, but
> > > > > > > > > There is the lingering doubt that the will is there. I am
> > > > > > > > > hoping for health
> > > > > > > > > care, but as long as the politicians are exempt from the
> > > > > > > > > bribery laws it
> > > > > > > > > will never happen.
>
> > > > > > > > > I am looking at the difference in countries. My wife is the
> > > > > > > > > officer in
> > > > > > > > > charge of quality control for the fire department.. and she
> > > > > > > > > was offered
> > > > > > > > > tickets for her and me to a polo match free. Well we had to
> > > > > > > > > turn them down
> > > > > > > > > and make a report of it. It has to do with honesty in
> > > > > > > > > government.
>
> > > > > > > > > The truth is I am glad to see that there are people watching
> > > > > > > > > and much more
> > > > > > > > > of it needs to occur, every where ,, accepting business gifts
> > > > > > > > > should be
> > > > > > > > > totally unacceptable behavior, both by the giver and the
> > > > > > > > > receiver.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> Here is Noam Chomsky's take on it:
>
> > > > > > > > >>http://books.google.com/books?id=yDhGoR6yU8AC&dq=Noam+Chomsky+anarchy...
>
> > > > > > > > >> On Jun 27, 4:27 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > Collective anger is interesting . It leaves me wondering
> > > > > > > > >> > who is
> > > > > > > > >> > controlling
> > > > > > > > >> > it. In Red Handed discussion there is tremendous violence
> > > > > > > > >> > demonstrated
> > > > > > > > >> > and
> > > > > > > > >> > used for control. As for the people being angry. could
> > > > > > > > >> > they be
> > > > > > > > >> > frustrated,
> > > > > > > > >> > with supposed religious leadership using violence and fear
> > > > > > > > >> > to control,
> > > > > > > > >> > it
> > > > > > > > >> > would seem to be more frustration than anger.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > To me it seems in the majority of people have a deep
> > > > > > > > >> > seated need to
> > > > > > > > >> > believe
> > > > > > > > >> > in something greater than them selves. looking at Iran, I
> > > > > > > > >> > can not help
> > > > > > > > >> > but
> > > > > > > > >> > wonder what is really going on.
> > > > > > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > >> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Molly Brogan
> > > > > > > > >> > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > >> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> > > This is a very nice examination of the emotion contained
> > > > > > > > >> > > in the
> > > > > > > > >> > > anarchy that ensues as a result of suppression, Vam. It
> > > > > > > > >> > > is
> > > > > > > > >> > > fascinating (and horrifying) to watch the collective
> > > > > > > > >> > > expression of
> > > > > > > > >> > > anger in anarchy.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > > I think that anger, and its primary emotion fear, are
> > > > > > > > >> > > ego based
> > > > > > > > >> > > emotions. If we are witnessing ourselves expressing less
> > > > > > > > >> > > and less
> > > > > > > > >> > > anger, it is probably because we are not primarily
> > > > > > > > >> > > centered in our
> > > > > > > > >> > > ego. Ego based desire - what I want - and its
> > > > > > > > >> > > frustration is often
> > > > > > > > >> > > the cause, and if expressed without consideration of
> > > > > > > > >> > > others, can be
> > > > > > > > >> > > destructive. Ego based anger can also be expressed in
> > > > > > > > >> > > consideration
> > > > > > > > >> > > of others, and the outcome is usually more palatable for
> > > > > > > > >> > > all
> > > > > > > > >> > > involved.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > > If our view looks beyond our ego, includes the broader
> > > > > > > > >> > > perspectives of
> > > > > > > > >> > > self as other and absolute truth in spirit, the
> > > > > > > > >> > > integrated expression
> > > > > > > > >> > > of anger simply becomes I am not and I am. Here is where
> > > > > > > > >> > > anger of
> > > > > > > > >> > > others becomes a mirror to shadow self, and anger
> > > > > > > > >> > > arising in self can
>
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