Excuse me, I was not asking for medical advice. I was asking if the idea I presented makes sense to you.
peace & Love > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:03:11 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non Medical Healing - The Non-Science of Life? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > You misunderstand me Tinker. I do not dispense medical advise to > anyone with medical problems. I am a writer, not a doctor. > > On Aug 9, 4:29 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Molly, I see a common thread of our understanding of healing. > > > > My brother in law asked me to help him with his recently incurred 'back > > problem' (because he knows of my success with mine). > > He just mentioned it last night and I've been thinking about how to begin. > > I'm working on this initial statement; > > "It is not about believing that what I will teach you is some sort of > > magical or miraculous formula. It is about using the information with clear > > intent directed towards the result wanted." (this would be at our level of > > communication) > > > > Does that sound correct to you? > > > > peace & Love > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:20:49 -0700 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non Medical Healing - The Non-Science of Life? > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > I can see, Slip, that I did not mean this at all, and your > > > interpretation of what was implied missed the mark on my statement. > > > In this statement, alternative choice meant only alternative to modern > > > medicine, and the point was, that if the child died after receiving > > > medication of some other current medical treatment, blame may not have > > > been placed at all. > > > > > In the Gregg Braden video, and i refer to this because we can go to it > > > and see it and not rely on implications, there is a group of three > > > practitioners around the woman as her inoperable bladder tumor > > > disappears in minutes. To some, these practitioners may seem to be > > > praying. In fact, they are chanting, and their practice is closer to > > > some of the shamanic traditions in that they are mentally in a place > > > where the woman has a perfectly healthy bladder, and helping her to > > > "be" there too. This is the crux of the Braden message - that it is > > > thinking and feeling and knowing perfect health that restores health. > > > Feeling the state of mind brings us to it. I would consider it more a > > > matter of self image than prayer. > > > > > Again, I am not saying anyone should risk the life of a child in a > > > health emergency. I am not even claiming that anyone should try self > > > healing unless they believe in the possibility. But I am saying that > > > we all have the potential within us to self heal everything. You may > > > not agree, that's OK. But if you think it is possible, give it a try. > > > Don't start with a brain aneurysm. Start with the stomach flu, when > > > you get results, try again. This is how we learn to self heal. It is > > > not much different than learning a healthy lifestyle. And once we > > > realize it, we realize health, and the injuries and illness to not > > > come up for us. I know may people that live like this. I don't know > > > anyone immortal, so Jim's question brings up something else, but it > > > may be somewhat related. I am still mulling that over. > > > > > On Aug 9, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It is just your comment "maybe it was just her time to go, in which > > > > case, nothing could have > > > > saved her." and your implying that the blame was not as much justified > > > > because of the "choice" of alternative. But I guess we've move on > > > > now. > > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:12 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have answered this repeatedly for you, Slip and I think that D has > > > > > also pointed out that I am not talking about prayer as modality for > > > > > healing. Why you keep coming back to it as a basis of argument, I am > > > > > not sure. I do think that your idea of prayer is skewed to your own > > > > > bias. Gregg Braden does a good job in categorizing types of prayer he > > > > > has observed in his global research in his book "The lost mode of > > > > > prayer." This is not to say it is a study of prayer as applied to > > > > > healing, it is not. It is an examination of prayer historical and > > > > > globally. I reference it because I think it may broaden your view of > > > > > prayer. > > > > > > > On Aug 9, 3:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you run into a brick wall Molly? Have you no say to my posts, > > > > > > have they just hit a nerve or are you exercising your right to > > > > > > ignore. Isn't it true that prayer is a voodoo? Isn't it true that > > > > > > prayer is a desperate attempt to validate a belief in the existence > > > > > > of > > > > > > a supernatural being? A being that will opt to save one and let the > > > > > > rest suffer? Some people just choose to demonstrate their fervor in > > > > > > regards to belief even if the belief is without substantiation. > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:50 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Agreeing with Vam, I think what you propose can be done without > > > > > > > belittling or using derogatory language. As D points out, > > > > > > > presenting > > > > > > > an alternate argument is very different than name calling someones > > > > > > > ideas and experiences. By doing that, you also berate anyone > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > like experiences. Anyone can present a different viewpoint > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > that, but someone looking to cut the other down chooses not to. > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > surprised you can't see that. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:11 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There's been a > > > > > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans > > > > > > > > > have used for a > > > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. > > > > > > > > > > Ruba dub dub, three friends in a tub. I like it. Throw in some > > > > > > > > bourbon or a nice smooth scotch and I'll be right over. > > > > > > > > > > This discussion group is better then a soap opera. More drama > > > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > Health Care Reform Bill town hall discussion. Maybe I'm a male > > > > > > > > chauvinist pig but I'm seeing a little Men are from Mars; Women > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > from Venus action going on here. I'm not surprised Molly is > > > > > > > > feeling a > > > > > > > > little picked on lately but I don't see any bad behavior from > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > moderators either. Sometimes those in authority seem to be > > > > > > > > bullying > > > > > > > > when they are being nothing of the sort simply because we know > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > have authority over us. I don't see any abuse here at all but > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > may be because I agree with Ian and Chris in this debate. > > > > > > > > > > I find it discombobulating when someone I respect deconstructs > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > beliefs or worse, shows ridicule for them. This doesn't make > > > > > > > > it their > > > > > > > > fault I'm so insecure. Sometimes, it makes me re-evaluate my > > > > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > > > Sometimes it makes me re-evaluate my respect for my fellow > > > > > > > > interlocutor. Always I learn something. > > > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Chris > > > > > > > > Jenkins<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What you saw on TV the other day was implicitly wrong. Prozan > > > > > > > > > is an SSRI, > > > > > > > > > and has a specific and complex brain functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the citation you provided is cleverly styled to > > > > > > > > > appear to be > > > > > > > > > the APA website, but by navigating to the root domain, we see > > > > > > > > > that it is in > > > > > > > > > actuality a virulently anti-psych website: > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > This tends to color their data a bit, no? > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some links to non-biased, peer reviewed studies at > > > > > > > > > PubMed, the > > > > > > > > > general repository for scientific research in the US, > > > > > > > > > directly addressing > > > > > > > > > the question of SSRI versus placebo. > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405969?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez... > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19468281?ordinalpos=9&itool=Entrez... > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922243?ordinalpos=25&itool=Entre... > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a great quote: > > > > > > > > > > > "In a 10-week randomised, double-blind trial in patients with > > > > > > > > > panic > > > > > > > > > disorder, escitalopram (flexible doses 5-10 mg/d) was > > > > > > > > > significantly more > > > > > > > > > effective than placebo in reducing the panic attack > > > > > > > > > frequency, with a faster > > > > > > > > > onset of action than citalopram." > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, in all the studies that I've seen where the efficacy > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > medication over placebo dropped to less than 30%, they were > > > > > > > > > 'mild to > > > > > > > > > moderate' cases to begin with. > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, the Prozac didn't help much because there > > > > > > > > > wasn't much of a > > > > > > > > > chemical problem there to help with. Those cases should have > > > > > > > > > been referred > > > > > > > > > to psychologists, not psychiatrists. Blaming the medication > > > > > > > > > for not fixing a > > > > > > > > > problem that is not chemical in nature is downright silly. > > > > > > > > > There's been a > > > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans > > > > > > > > > have used for a > > > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM, deripsni <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> I found this article that claims that the placebo effect > > > > > > > > >> accounts for > > > > > > > > >> 50% of the improvement in depressed patients taking > > > > > > > > >> anitdepressents, > > > > > > > > >> while only 27% is due to the actual drug. I also saw > > > > > > > > >> something on TV > > > > > > > > >> the other day stating that Prozac was basically a sugar > > > > > > > > >> coated > > > > > > > > >> placebo. This seems to support a lot of what Molly is saying. > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1996-APA-placebo-vs-SSRI.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party > > invites.http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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