Molly, I see a common thread of our understanding of healing. My brother in law asked me to help him with his recently incurred 'back problem' (because he knows of my success with mine). He just mentioned it last night and I've been thinking about how to begin. I'm working on this initial statement; "It is not about believing that what I will teach you is some sort of magical or miraculous formula. It is about using the information with clear intent directed towards the result wanted." (this would be at our level of communication)
Does that sound correct to you? peace & Love > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:20:49 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non Medical Healing - The Non-Science of Life? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > I can see, Slip, that I did not mean this at all, and your > interpretation of what was implied missed the mark on my statement. > In this statement, alternative choice meant only alternative to modern > medicine, and the point was, that if the child died after receiving > medication of some other current medical treatment, blame may not have > been placed at all. > > In the Gregg Braden video, and i refer to this because we can go to it > and see it and not rely on implications, there is a group of three > practitioners around the woman as her inoperable bladder tumor > disappears in minutes. To some, these practitioners may seem to be > praying. In fact, they are chanting, and their practice is closer to > some of the shamanic traditions in that they are mentally in a place > where the woman has a perfectly healthy bladder, and helping her to > "be" there too. This is the crux of the Braden message - that it is > thinking and feeling and knowing perfect health that restores health. > Feeling the state of mind brings us to it. I would consider it more a > matter of self image than prayer. > > Again, I am not saying anyone should risk the life of a child in a > health emergency. I am not even claiming that anyone should try self > healing unless they believe in the possibility. But I am saying that > we all have the potential within us to self heal everything. You may > not agree, that's OK. But if you think it is possible, give it a try. > Don't start with a brain aneurysm. Start with the stomach flu, when > you get results, try again. This is how we learn to self heal. It is > not much different than learning a healthy lifestyle. And once we > realize it, we realize health, and the injuries and illness to not > come up for us. I know may people that live like this. I don't know > anyone immortal, so Jim's question brings up something else, but it > may be somewhat related. I am still mulling that over. > > On Aug 9, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is just your comment "maybe it was just her time to go, in which > > case, nothing could have > > saved her." and your implying that the blame was not as much justified > > because of the "choice" of alternative. But I guess we've move on > > now. > > > > On Aug 9, 10:12 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I have answered this repeatedly for you, Slip and I think that D has > > > also pointed out that I am not talking about prayer as modality for > > > healing. Why you keep coming back to it as a basis of argument, I am > > > not sure. I do think that your idea of prayer is skewed to your own > > > bias. Gregg Braden does a good job in categorizing types of prayer he > > > has observed in his global research in his book "The lost mode of > > > prayer." This is not to say it is a study of prayer as applied to > > > healing, it is not. It is an examination of prayer historical and > > > globally. I reference it because I think it may broaden your view of > > > prayer. > > > > > On Aug 9, 3:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Have you run into a brick wall Molly? Have you no say to my posts, > > > > have they just hit a nerve or are you exercising your right to > > > > ignore. Isn't it true that prayer is a voodoo? Isn't it true that > > > > prayer is a desperate attempt to validate a belief in the existence of > > > > a supernatural being? A being that will opt to save one and let the > > > > rest suffer? Some people just choose to demonstrate their fervor in > > > > regards to belief even if the belief is without substantiation. > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:50 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Agreeing with Vam, I think what you propose can be done without > > > > > belittling or using derogatory language. As D points out, presenting > > > > > an alternate argument is very different than name calling someones > > > > > ideas and experiences. By doing that, you also berate anyone having > > > > > like experiences. Anyone can present a different viewpoint without > > > > > that, but someone looking to cut the other down chooses not to. I'm > > > > > surprised you can't see that. > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:11 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > There's been a > > > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans have > > > > > > > used for a > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. > > > > > > > > Ruba dub dub, three friends in a tub. I like it. Throw in some > > > > > > bourbon or a nice smooth scotch and I'll be right over. > > > > > > > > This discussion group is better then a soap opera. More drama then > > > > > > a > > > > > > Health Care Reform Bill town hall discussion. Maybe I'm a male > > > > > > chauvinist pig but I'm seeing a little Men are from Mars; Women are > > > > > > from Venus action going on here. I'm not surprised Molly is > > > > > > feeling a > > > > > > little picked on lately but I don't see any bad behavior from any > > > > > > moderators either. Sometimes those in authority seem to be bullying > > > > > > when they are being nothing of the sort simply because we know they > > > > > > have authority over us. I don't see any abuse here at all but that > > > > > > may be because I agree with Ian and Chris in this debate. > > > > > > > > I find it discombobulating when someone I respect deconstructs my > > > > > > beliefs or worse, shows ridicule for them. This doesn't make it > > > > > > their > > > > > > fault I'm so insecure. Sometimes, it makes me re-evaluate my > > > > > > beliefs. > > > > > > Sometimes it makes me re-evaluate my respect for my fellow > > > > > > interlocutor. Always I learn something. > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Chris > > > > > > Jenkins<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > What you saw on TV the other day was implicitly wrong. Prozan is > > > > > > > an SSRI, > > > > > > > and has a specific and complex brain functionality. > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the citation you provided is cleverly styled to > > > > > > > appear to be > > > > > > > the APA website, but by navigating to the root domain, we see > > > > > > > that it is in > > > > > > > actuality a virulently anti-psych website: > > > > > > > > >http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/ > > > > > > > > > This tends to color their data a bit, no? > > > > > > > > > Here are some links to non-biased, peer reviewed studies at > > > > > > > PubMed, the > > > > > > > general repository for scientific research in the US, directly > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > the question of SSRI versus placebo. > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405969?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez... > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19468281?ordinalpos=9&itool=Entrez... > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922243?ordinalpos=25&itool=Entre... > > > > > > > > > Here's a great quote: > > > > > > > > > "In a 10-week randomised, double-blind trial in patients with > > > > > > > panic > > > > > > > disorder, escitalopram (flexible doses 5-10 mg/d) was > > > > > > > significantly more > > > > > > > effective than placebo in reducing the panic attack frequency, > > > > > > > with a faster > > > > > > > onset of action than citalopram." > > > > > > > > > In fact, in all the studies that I've seen where the efficacy of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > medication over placebo dropped to less than 30%, they were 'mild > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > moderate' cases to begin with. > > > > > > > > > In other words, the Prozac didn't help much because there wasn't > > > > > > > much of a > > > > > > > chemical problem there to help with. Those cases should have been > > > > > > > referred > > > > > > > to psychologists, not psychiatrists. Blaming the medication for > > > > > > > not fixing a > > > > > > > problem that is not chemical in nature is downright silly. > > > > > > > There's been a > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that humans have > > > > > > > used for a > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM, deripsni <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I found this article that claims that the placebo effect > > > > > > >> accounts for > > > > > > >> 50% of the improvement in depressed patients taking > > > > > > >> anitdepressents, > > > > > > >> while only 27% is due to the actual drug. I also saw something > > > > > > >> on TV > > > > > > >> the other day stating that Prozac was basically a sugar coated > > > > > > >> placebo. This seems to support a lot of what Molly is saying. > > > > > > > > >>http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1996-APA-placebo-vs-SSRI.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! Add maps and directions to your party invites. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/events.aspx --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
