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On Aug 9, 9:10 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Excuse me, I was not asking for medical advice.
> I was asking if the idea I presented makes sense to you.
>
> peace & Love
>
> > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:03:11 -0700
> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non Medical Healing - The Non-Science of Life?
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
>
> > You misunderstand me Tinker. I do not dispense medical advise to
> > anyone with medical problems. I am a writer, not a doctor.
>
> > On Aug 9, 4:29 pm, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Molly, I see a common thread of our understanding of healing.
>
> > > My brother in law asked me to help him with his recently incurred 'back
> > > problem' (because he knows of my success with mine).
> > > He just mentioned it last night and I've been thinking about how to begin.
> > > I'm working on this initial statement;
> > > "It is not about believing that what I will teach you is some sort of
> > > magical or miraculous formula. It is about using the information with
> > > clear intent directed towards the result wanted." (this would be at our
> > > level of communication)
>
> > > Does that sound correct to you?
>
> > > peace & Love
>
> > > > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:20:49 -0700
> > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Non Medical Healing - The Non-Science of Life?
> > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > To: [email protected]
>
> > > > I can see, Slip, that I did not mean this at all, and your
> > > > interpretation of what was implied missed the mark on my statement.
> > > > In this statement, alternative choice meant only alternative to modern
> > > > medicine, and the point was, that if the child died after receiving
> > > > medication of some other current medical treatment, blame may not have
> > > > been placed at all.
>
> > > > In the Gregg Braden video, and i refer to this because we can go to it
> > > > and see it and not rely on implications, there is a group of three
> > > > practitioners around the woman as her inoperable bladder tumor
> > > > disappears in minutes. To some, these practitioners may seem to be
> > > > praying. In fact, they are chanting, and their practice is closer to
> > > > some of the shamanic traditions in that they are mentally in a place
> > > > where the woman has a perfectly healthy bladder, and helping her to
> > > > "be" there too. This is the crux of the Braden message - that it is
> > > > thinking and feeling and knowing perfect health that restores health.
> > > > Feeling the state of mind brings us to it. I would consider it more a
> > > > matter of self image than prayer.
>
> > > > Again, I am not saying anyone should risk the life of a child in a
> > > > health emergency. I am not even claiming that anyone should try self
> > > > healing unless they believe in the possibility. But I am saying that
> > > > we all have the potential within us to self heal everything. You may
> > > > not agree, that's OK. But if you think it is possible, give it a try.
> > > > Don't start with a brain aneurysm. Start with the stomach flu, when
> > > > you get results, try again. This is how we learn to self heal. It is
> > > > not much different than learning a healthy lifestyle. And once we
> > > > realize it, we realize health, and the injuries and illness to not
> > > > come up for us. I know may people that live like this. I don't know
> > > > anyone immortal, so Jim's question brings up something else, but it
> > > > may be somewhat related. I am still mulling that over.
>
> > > > On Aug 9, 11:22 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > It is just your comment "maybe it was just her time to go, in which
> > > > > case, nothing could have
> > > > > saved her." and your implying that the blame was not as much justified
> > > > > because of the "choice" of alternative. But I guess we've move on
> > > > > now.
>
> > > > > On Aug 9, 10:12 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I have answered this repeatedly for you, Slip and I think that D has
> > > > > > also pointed out that I am not talking about prayer as modality for
> > > > > > healing. Why you keep coming back to it as a basis of argument, I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > not sure. I do think that your idea of prayer is skewed to your own
> > > > > > bias. Gregg Braden does a good job in categorizing types of prayer
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > has observed in his global research in his book "The lost mode of
> > > > > > prayer." This is not to say it is a study of prayer as applied to
> > > > > > healing, it is not. It is an examination of prayer historical and
> > > > > > globally. I reference it because I think it may broaden your view
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > prayer.
>
> > > > > > On Aug 9, 3:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Have you run into a brick wall Molly? Have you no say to my posts,
> > > > > > > have they just hit a nerve or are you exercising your right to
> > > > > > > ignore. Isn't it true that prayer is a voodoo? Isn't it true
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > prayer is a desperate attempt to validate a belief in the
> > > > > > > existence of
> > > > > > > a supernatural being? A being that will opt to save one and let
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > rest suffer? Some people just choose to demonstrate their fervor
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > regards to belief even if the belief is without substantiation.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 8, 6:50 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Agreeing with Vam, I think what you propose can be done without
> > > > > > > > belittling or using derogatory language. As D points out,
> > > > > > > > presenting
> > > > > > > > an alternate argument is very different than name calling
> > > > > > > > someones
> > > > > > > > ideas and experiences. By doing that, you also berate anyone
> > > > > > > > having
> > > > > > > > like experiences. Anyone can present a different viewpoint
> > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > that, but someone looking to cut the other down chooses not to.
> > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > surprised you can't see that.
>
> > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:11 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > There's been a
>
> > > > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that
> > > > > > > > > > humans have used for a
> > > > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub.
>
> > > > > > > > > Ruba dub dub, three friends in a tub. I like it. Throw in
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > bourbon or a nice smooth scotch and I'll be right over.
>
> > > > > > > > > This discussion group is better then a soap opera. More
> > > > > > > > > drama then a
> > > > > > > > > Health Care Reform Bill town hall discussion. Maybe I'm a
> > > > > > > > > male
> > > > > > > > > chauvinist pig but I'm seeing a little Men are from Mars;
> > > > > > > > > Women are
> > > > > > > > > from Venus action going on here. I'm not surprised Molly is
> > > > > > > > > feeling a
> > > > > > > > > little picked on lately but I don't see any bad behavior from
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > moderators either. Sometimes those in authority seem to be
> > > > > > > > > bullying
> > > > > > > > > when they are being nothing of the sort simply because we
> > > > > > > > > know they
> > > > > > > > > have authority over us. I don't see any abuse here at all
> > > > > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > may be because I agree with Ian and Chris in this debate.
>
> > > > > > > > > I find it discombobulating when someone I respect
> > > > > > > > > deconstructs my
> > > > > > > > > beliefs or worse, shows ridicule for them. This doesn't make
> > > > > > > > > it their
> > > > > > > > > fault I'm so insecure. Sometimes, it makes me re-evaluate my
> > > > > > > > > beliefs.
> > > > > > > > > Sometimes it makes me re-evaluate my respect for my fellow
> > > > > > > > > interlocutor. Always I learn something.
>
> > > > > > > > > dj
>
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Chris
> > > > > > > > > Jenkins<[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > What you saw on TV the other day was implicitly wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > Prozan is an SSRI,
> > > > > > > > > > and has a specific and complex brain functionality.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Additionally, the citation you provided is cleverly styled
> > > > > > > > > > to appear to be
> > > > > > > > > > the APA website, but by navigating to the root domain, we
> > > > > > > > > > see that it is in
> > > > > > > > > > actuality a virulently anti-psych website:
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/
>
> > > > > > > > > > This tends to color their data a bit, no?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Here are some links to non-biased, peer reviewed studies at
> > > > > > > > > > PubMed, the
> > > > > > > > > > general repository for scientific research in the US,
> > > > > > > > > > directly addressing
> > > > > > > > > > the question of SSRI versus placebo.
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11405969?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez...
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19468281?ordinalpos=9&itool=Entrez...
>
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922243?ordinalpos=25&itool=Entre...
>
> > > > > > > > > > Here's a great quote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > "In a 10-week randomised, double-blind trial in patients
> > > > > > > > > > with panic
> > > > > > > > > > disorder, escitalopram (flexible doses 5-10 mg/d) was
> > > > > > > > > > significantly more
> > > > > > > > > > effective than placebo in reducing the panic attack
> > > > > > > > > > frequency, with a faster
> > > > > > > > > > onset of action than citalopram."
>
> > > > > > > > > > In fact, in all the studies that I've seen where the
> > > > > > > > > > efficacy of the
> > > > > > > > > > medication over placebo dropped to less than 30%, they were
> > > > > > > > > > 'mild to
> > > > > > > > > > moderate' cases to begin with.
>
> > > > > > > > > > In other words, the Prozac didn't help much because there
> > > > > > > > > > wasn't much of a
> > > > > > > > > > chemical problem there to help with. Those cases should
> > > > > > > > > > have been referred
> > > > > > > > > > to psychologists, not psychiatrists. Blaming the medication
> > > > > > > > > > for not fixing a
> > > > > > > > > > problem that is not chemical in nature is downright silly.
> > > > > > > > > > There's been a
> > > > > > > > > > cure for being stressed out and mildly depressed that
> > > > > > > > > > humans have used for a
> > > > > > > > > > thousand years. It's called three friends and a Pub.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:28 AM, deripsni
> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> I found
>
> ...
>
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