Eh? Oh, because I work for the State of Texas and they pay for my health care I suppose that means I'm using government sponsored health care. That would be accurate. My concern, iam, is that competition will be eliminated under a single payer system. Despite some of the rhetoric coming from proponents of the as yet unfully formed Health Care Reform Bill I believe this is the goal. I think this will stifle inovation and absolutely cripple quality. I hope I am wrong.
I, of course, have no interest in cutting off my nose to spite my face. I will take full atvantage of any government programs offered just as I expect my fellow citizens to do. That doesn't mean I think they are a good idea or good for our country. Instead of spending time earning a living or exceling at my job to get a promotion to buy better health care/faster car/bigger house etc. I'll be spending my talents and efforts into finding government programs to take advantage of. I just don't see this sort of thing as productive for society as a whole. Again, I hope I'm wrong. dj On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:22 AM, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Don I know you have government sponsored health care does that mean you > are willing to give up your social health care because it is universal > government health care? > Allan > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM, >> ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > "This is human nature. Sneaky and selfish to the bitter end." = DJ >> > >> > IF wanting to see universal healthcare for all rather than the only >> > for the elite, then give me some of that selfishness! >> >> Ah, yes. The end justifies the means. There are many over the years >> that share this same philosophy with you. Chairman Mao, Joseph >> Stalin, Saul Alinsky, etc., etc. >> >> dj >> >> >> > >> > On Aug 27, 12:24 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Too many factors left undefined. Is he guilty? If so, what did he >> >> do? If he stole a car drunk and ran over a kid getting off a school >> >> bus by accident then I want him to come home. If he buggered(very >> >> popular word in ME lately) my son I'd let him die in prison and not go >> >> to the funeral. There are qualifiers for everything. As rule, I'd >> >> vote against a policy of compassionate early release. That doesn't >> >> mean I wouldn't do my best to circumvent this rule if it benefited me >> >> somehow. Case in point; the late Senator Edward Kennedy's dying wish >> >> was to reverse a rule he supported 4 years ago that benefited the >> >> Democratic party at the time and screwed the republicans. Now the >> >> shoe is on the other foot and he shamelessly wanted things back the >> >> way they were before he made the change. This is human nature. >> >> Sneaky and selfish to the bitter end. >> >> >> >> dj >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:49 AM, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Sorry sir I totaly disagree, lets measure up your one example against >> >> > what could be considerd the norm. A quick straw poll should suffice. >> >> >> >> > So hands up all of those members here if caught up in the same >> >> > situation would like to see their father or son come home to die, and >> >> > hands up all of those who would not? >> >> >> >> > On 26 Aug, 10:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> For sure, Lee, especially in consideration of the nature of these >> >> >> crimes, the heinous and monstrous intent. Not to mention the >> cultural >> >> >> aspect, as I pointed out earlier and provided a link, the Muslim >> >> >> family wants the teenage girl, (their own daughter) dead just on the >> >> >> basis of religious conversion. But your assumption in a case where >> >> >> that girl was in prison for a heinous crime would be that the family >> >> >> was suffering and felt punished and that it would be compassionate >> to >> >> >> let the girl out of prison, send her home to her family because she >> >> >> was terminally ill. Unreasonable assumption? Absolutely! >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 26, 4:01 am, "[email protected]" < >> [email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Slip I have admited there is a bit of that about it, but as I have >> >> >> > asked you do you belive it is an 'unreasonable' assumption to >> make? >> >> >> >> >> > On 26 Aug, 08:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > Don, logically there is no basis for Lee's view. It's all based >> on >> >> >> > > assumptive reasoning. We don't know how these family members >> are >> >> >> > > feeling and cannot presume they are suffering or feeling >> punished by >> >> >> > > the incarceration or by society and again if al-megrahi lives >> through >> >> >> > > a whole year there is going to be some heads rolling. I saw one >> of >> >> >> > > the victims stating that her husband was supposed to die of >> cancer 5 >> >> >> > > years ago and he's still around. >> >> >> >> >> > > On Aug 25, 11:43 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > Why should the inocent be punished? -Lee >> >> >> >> >> > > > They aren't punished. I don't doubt they suffer but it's >> incorrect to >> >> >> > > > say they are punished. They are, I suppose in a way, also >> victims of >> >> >> > > > their relative's actions. As I think Slip touched on earlier >> the only >> >> >> > > > person that owes these people something is the perpetrator of >> the >> >> >> > > > crime. Certainly I understand compassion for them. It >> doesn't make >> >> >> > > > me want to release a hardened criminal to make them feel >> better. >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm not sure how many of you took the time to read Tink's >> little bio. >> >> >> > > > What stood out for me is his attitude that his incarceration >> was >> >> >> > > > unjustified because his infractions were minimal. I saw a >> pattern of >> >> >> > > > 'poor me, I'm the victim.' This, in my admittedly limited >> experience, >> >> >> > > > seems a quite common attitude amongst convicts. Recidivism >> being what >> >> >> > > > it is I'd want to address this personality flaw were I the >> criminal >> >> >> > > > type. >> >> >> >> >> > > > I'm just sayin' >> >> >> >> >> > > > dj >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM, >> >> >> >> >> > > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> By your logic we should show compassion to a pair of >> murderers because >> >> >> > > > >> they are, lets say, orphans. Never mind they are orphans >> because they >> >> >> > > > >> murdered their parents for the inheritance. It would be >> hypocritical >> >> >> > > > >> of me to concern myself with HOW they became orphans, yes? >> The poor >> >> >> > > > >> dears deserve our sympathy. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Opps forgot to address this. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > You assume dear boy that the compassion I speak of is to the >> man >> >> >> > > > > realsed, and yes there is some there, but I mean mostly his >> family. >> >> >> > > > > Why should the inocent be punished?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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