Ah yes, assigning a philosophy of end justifies the means to a wish for egalitarianism. How quaint! Oh, and you left a few off the list: Reagan, Bush, Washington, Jefferson, Gandhi, Gautama, Jesus....the list goes on and on and on and....
On Aug 27, 9:24 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM, > > ornamentalmind<[email protected]> wrote: > > > "This is human nature. Sneaky and selfish to the bitter end." = DJ > > > IF wanting to see universal healthcare for all rather than the only > > for the elite, then give me some of that selfishness! > > Ah, yes. The end justifies the means. There are many over the years > that share this same philosophy with you. Chairman Mao, Joseph > Stalin, Saul Alinsky, etc., etc. > > dj > > > > > > > On Aug 27, 12:24 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Too many factors left undefined. Is he guilty? If so, what did he > >> do? If he stole a car drunk and ran over a kid getting off a school > >> bus by accident then I want him to come home. If he buggered(very > >> popular word in ME lately) my son I'd let him die in prison and not go > >> to the funeral. There are qualifiers for everything. As rule, I'd > >> vote against a policy of compassionate early release. That doesn't > >> mean I wouldn't do my best to circumvent this rule if it benefited me > >> somehow. Case in point; the late Senator Edward Kennedy's dying wish > >> was to reverse a rule he supported 4 years ago that benefited the > >> Democratic party at the time and screwed the republicans. Now the > >> shoe is on the other foot and he shamelessly wanted things back the > >> way they were before he made the change. This is human nature. > >> Sneaky and selfish to the bitter end. > > >> dj > > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:49 AM, > > >> [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Sorry sir I totaly disagree, lets measure up your one example against > >> > what could be considerd the norm. A quick straw poll should suffice. > > >> > So hands up all of those members here if caught up in the same > >> > situation would like to see their father or son come home to die, and > >> > hands up all of those who would not? > > >> > On 26 Aug, 10:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> For sure, Lee, especially in consideration of the nature of these > >> >> crimes, the heinous and monstrous intent. Not to mention the cultural > >> >> aspect, as I pointed out earlier and provided a link, the Muslim > >> >> family wants the teenage girl, (their own daughter) dead just on the > >> >> basis of religious conversion. But your assumption in a case where > >> >> that girl was in prison for a heinous crime would be that the family > >> >> was suffering and felt punished and that it would be compassionate to > >> >> let the girl out of prison, send her home to her family because she > >> >> was terminally ill. Unreasonable assumption? Absolutely! > > >> >> On Aug 26, 4:01 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > Slip I have admited there is a bit of that about it, but as I have > >> >> > asked you do you belive it is an 'unreasonable' assumption to make? > > >> >> > On 26 Aug, 08:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > Don, logically there is no basis for Lee's view. It's all based on > >> >> > > assumptive reasoning. We don't know how these family members are > >> >> > > feeling and cannot presume they are suffering or feeling punished by > >> >> > > the incarceration or by society and again if al-megrahi lives > >> >> > > through > >> >> > > a whole year there is going to be some heads rolling. I saw one of > >> >> > > the victims stating that her husband was supposed to die of cancer 5 > >> >> > > years ago and he's still around. > > >> >> > > On Aug 25, 11:43 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > Why should the inocent be punished? -Lee > > >> >> > > > They aren't punished. I don't doubt they suffer but it's > >> >> > > > incorrect to > >> >> > > > say they are punished. They are, I suppose in a way, also > >> >> > > > victims of > >> >> > > > their relative's actions. As I think Slip touched on earlier the > >> >> > > > only > >> >> > > > person that owes these people something is the perpetrator of the > >> >> > > > crime. Certainly I understand compassion for them. It doesn't > >> >> > > > make > >> >> > > > me want to release a hardened criminal to make them feel better. > > >> >> > > > I'm not sure how many of you took the time to read Tink's little > >> >> > > > bio. > >> >> > > > What stood out for me is his attitude that his incarceration was > >> >> > > > unjustified because his infractions were minimal. I saw a > >> >> > > > pattern of > >> >> > > > 'poor me, I'm the victim.' This, in my admittedly limited > >> >> > > > experience, > >> >> > > > seems a quite common attitude amongst convicts. Recidivism being > >> >> > > > what > >> >> > > > it is I'd want to address this personality flaw were I the > >> >> > > > criminal > >> >> > > > type. > > >> >> > > > I'm just sayin' > > >> >> > > > dj > > >> >> > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM, > > >> >> > > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> By your logic we should show compassion to a pair of murderers > >> >> > > > >> because > >> >> > > > >> they are, lets say, orphans. Never mind they are orphans > >> >> > > > >> because they > >> >> > > > >> murdered their parents for the inheritance. It would be > >> >> > > > >> hypocritical > >> >> > > > >> of me to concern myself with HOW they became orphans, yes? > >> >> > > > >> The poor > >> >> > > > >> dears deserve our sympathy. > > >> >> > > > > Opps forgot to address this. > > >> >> > > > > You assume dear boy that the compassion I speak of is to the man > >> >> > > > > realsed, and yes there is some there, but I mean mostly his > >> >> > > > > family. > >> >> > > > > Why should the inocent be punished?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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