What do you mean by innocent? Wm James has an reasonable inference about the consciousness of a new born as most likely: "a busy. blooming, buzzing confusion of sensation
which the the baby progressively learns how to order. -----Original Message----- From: rigsy03 <[email protected]> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 12:54 am Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Emptiness and Nagarjuna An infant is a perfect tyrant! :-) The senses remind me of antennae which later are reduced/enlarged to a vocabulary or mental concept. On Sep 11, 11:00?pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > This is perfectly true I think. ?An infant mind is pure and innocent > and looks at the world probably as close to reality as a sentient > creature can get. ?The difficulty lies in that the infant, in its > innocence, likely has no wonderment at its unique perception which > virtually renders it useless. ?Wordsworth wrote about it in "Ode on > Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood" and > the greatest of all of course is probably Peter Pan. ?But on the dark > side is Lord of The Flies. ? Unbridled Innocence is not all goodness > and flowers. ?What is it they say about boys? ?Snips and snails of > puppy dog tails. > > On Sep 11, 8:01 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > " However, I seriously doubt they could take it to the same esoteric > > and vaporous levels of perception as is done here among and within > > ourselves." > > > I am absolutely certain, Gruff, those perceptions happen with them. > > They of course need do nothing for it to happen. Especially in respect > > of a ' baby,' who is without nearly all of knowledge and ideas and > > names that we adults possess, it is we who 'd have difficulty > > fathoming what the baby perception of a table would be. > > > On Sep 11, 6:48 pm, gruff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Vam, I thought that's what I was doing ... stimulating some reflection > > > in both myself and with any luck others as well. ?But on to further > > > stimulation, if what I call a table is perceived by a child as > > > something which they have never seen before and can neither name nor > > > identify they can still perceive it as something which is used as a > > > place to set things above the ground or some other such similar > > > perception. ?They don't need to have the same name -- or any name -- > > > for it as I do but they can perceive and even use its functionality. > > > They can even address it by pointing at it as a place where perhaps a > > > bottle, toy or food rests. ?However, I seriously doubt they could take > > > it to the same esoteric and vaporous levels of perception as is done > > > here among and within ourselves. > > > > On Sep 10, 7:30 am, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Gruff, this is just to stimulate some reflection. > > > > > What is a ' table,' ?of which term you are so clear and convinced > > > > about, in the eyes of a baby or child who has never seen or heard of a > > > > table before ? > > > > > Is it still a ' table,' the one you mean ? ?Is it something specific, > > > > but not known or understood ? ?Is it something but not specific, and > > > > unknown ? ?Or, is it ' nothing ?'- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
