Sensible discussion is possible once we give consideration to those with weak bladders and who still wet their beds after being bullied in the Juvenile Halls of inner city education. The idea is generally Swedish or Finnish. The Finns do wonderfully well at school (see the OECD stats). Apparently, there was no need to beat the likes of Pollard and myself through the fuck factory, producing his incontinence and my pedantry - we could have achieved this through nursery nurture and play school until 7, followed by education in which scores in class tend to similarity, other than in triumph over the rest of the world's students at 15. We could then have strode off into a more or less egalitarian society, equipped with a far better scientific education and an alcoholic death wish consumption level if Finn. Indeed, much to Ian's satisfaction. I would now be dead, if subject to Finnish male mortality averages, and his liver beginning to beat his conscience. I do fear we are educating for an already dud society and missing the aims of education altogether.
On 28 Oct, 19:45, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a strong feeling Ian that half my grammar school teechers ... > > On 28 Oct, 18:05, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good thoughts all, Pat, but as noted, idealistic and utopian. Here's where > > it breaks down: > > > 1. The intelligent and socially responsible agree that disarmament and > > non-competitive cooperation is the ideal, and take steps to make this a > > reality. > > > 2. The brutes and anti-socials (chavs, if you will), recognize this > > accurately as a weakness, and come take all the possessions, liberties, and > > virginities of the rest of the group. > > > Darwin accurately noted the brutality of nature, and it's only idealism and > > rank utopianism that allows us to believe that it could be anything else. > > Those who are raised up without the ability to recognize this, and compete > > accordingly, fail in the inevitable competitions which WILL occur. I'll buy > > your dream when one day goes by on this planet that a woman is not raped. > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 28 Oct, 14:01, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 2009/10/28 Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > Of course we have schools all wrong. We encourage children to > > > > > compete against one another--to score better on tests than their > > > > > peers, to excel at sports over their their peers and teach them that > > > > > the only way THEY will do well is if they can continue to beat > > > > > everyone else 'out there' in the real world. > > > > > Totally wrong, Pat. This is exactly what we don't do any more in > > > > schools. > > > My > > > > nephew's recent sports day was pathetic. No prizes for the winners > > > (because > > > > "everyone was a winner")! What a fucking celebration of mediocrity. > > > > Well, you can prove that by, first, adopting my system for a > > > generation (maybe 2) and seeing if it works better or not. Anything > > > else is just hot air. 'Sport' doesn't matter as much as getting along > > > with one another. And, if you think it does, then, I'm afraid, we'll > > > have to agree to disagree. Nothing lost in that. But nothing > > > gained. > > > > > Unsurprisingly, the most popular schools -- and the ones with the > > > > highest > > > > level of achievement -- are the ones that are independent, fee paying, > > > and > > > > encourage competition in all areas. > > > > But how many bright, poor, homeless people go there? Straw man, > > > I'm afraid. All of us are equally individual. I don't ascribe to > > > 'animal farm' ideals. Nor should you. Nor would I have thought you > > > would. > > > > > We don't live in the kind of utopia you're philosophy requires, sadly; > > > > Darwinism still reigns. > > > > Darwin, I would think, was intelligent enough to realise the value > > > of cooperation and coordination. If your liver started competing with > > > your pancreas, how long do you think you'd last? Our own bodies give > > > us the example of the obvious success of organisation, coordination > > > and cooperation and Darwin would agree with that. What reigns isn't > > > Darwinism, what reigns is caveman mentality--the bigger club/weapon > > > the better 'fit'. Bollocks. That reduces us to the least common > > > denominator rather than our highest ideals. We MUST get out of that > > > caveman thinking or we WILL be reduced back to that level. > > > > > Ian --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
