You are 100% correct Chris. Orn seems to have a bee in the bonnet about this fella, and it sure looks very much like hero worship to me. So it is indeed strange that Orn talks about 'fanatics' and then uses what again looks very much like fanatical language in the defense of Noam.
I think you are being done a diservice mate, as long as I have been here, and that is a fair while now, I have not seen anything from you but rational logical thought. Ohh heh except for the whole gun issue, and the dealth penalty thing, but then nobody is perfect and we all have our loves and our loathes. On 1 Dec, 18:07, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > My position is simple, and requires no fanaticsm. It's been boiled down to > four words for centuries: "Practice what you preach." Failure to do so led > to my initial disenchantment with religion, and pervades into politics now. > > Only those who live by the tenets they espouse should be free from having > their ethics and morals connected to said tenet left unquestioned. To quote > another country aphorism, what's good for the geese is good for the gander. > If it's ok for Noam to profit handsomely from a capitalist system by using > it to its fullest, including questionable practices to reduce paying into > the system by which social services are funded, then it's ok for the rest of > us. > > Now, pick that apart, and find the fallacy. I dare you. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:57 PM, ornamentalmind > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > “His response is irrelevant. Facts are facts….” – Chris > > > Herein lies the seed of fanaticism Chris. Again, it would be wonderful > > if we lived in a black and white world…many theists have this need > > too. The ‘truth’ is that we do not, at least not in the terms > > currently being addressed. > > > On Dec 1, 9:22 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No hypocrisy in my criticism. I say, if you have a point, stand on it, > > and > > > live by it. I support freedom of personal choice for ingestables, and > > smoke. > > > I support Second Amendment rights, and own firearms. I support marriage > > > equality laws, and coordinate and attend my gay friends' marriage > > > ceremonies. Please elaborate on your assertion that the hypocrisy of > > > criticism will be exposed. Noam should practice what he preaches, period. > > He > > > should eschew the evil capitalist system, and give his books away for > > free, > > > not charge for lectures, personal and media appearances, and give the > > vast > > > majority of his wealth to the poor. > > > > His response is irrelevant. Facts are facts. He has achieved a personal > > net > > > worth in the millions by using that system he decries, and he even uses > > tax > > > loopholes like trust funds to hide and decrease his tax liability...in > > other > > > words, he IS one of the rich fat cats avoiding paying in to the systems > > > which feed the poor that he made so much money decrying. > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:13 PM, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > “…Although it is a good point well made, bloody hypocrit! Heh then > > > > again, point me out just one person who truely practices what they > > > > preach 100% of the time.” - Lee > > > > > More to the specific point, when one asks a different question, like > > > > what would you have Noam to do?... the hypocrisy of the criticism is > > > > exposed. > > > > > On Dec 1, 6:46 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heh quite something that huh. > > > > > > Still I can't help but think that he is only taking advantage of the > > > > > schemes open to one of his wealth in order to keep it, as the rest of > > > > > his ilke do I guess. That it is incredibly hard to live a life bound > > > > > by ones morality when all others in a similar situation to you take > > > > > advantage of the system, and that if fair laws were intruduced and > > > > > things like these tax havens simply did not exist so that a rich man > > > > > paid his tax burden like the rest of us, then he would be more able > > to > > > > > live live in an un-hypocritical way. > > > > > > Although it is a good point well made, bloody hypocrit! Heh then > > > > > again, point me out just one person who truely practices what they > > > > > preach 100% of the time. > > > > > > On 1 Dec, 13:17, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Noam certainly knows something about wealth and capitalism... > > > > > > >http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/2912626.html > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:39 AM, ornamentalmind < > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > An interview with Noam that includes a deeper analysis of wealth, > > > > > > > distribution and government than that found on corporate news: > > > > > > > >http://anarchismtoday.org/News/article/sid=74.html > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > “I’m concerned that students not become passive acceptors of the > > > > > > > official doctrine that’s handed down to them from the White > > House, > > > > the > > > > > > > media, textbooks, teachers and preachers” – Howard Zinn > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 7:47 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Brilliant Don! I concur, ditto. > > > > > > > > > On Nov 30, 3:48 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > More wealth redistribution ideologuery. If the man knew > > about > > > > feeding > > > > > > > > > the needy he wouldn't spout such non-sense. Meals on Wheels > > has > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with Social Security. Community service, by > > > > definition, > > > > > > > > > is local and supported by local businesses and private > > donors. > > > > SS is > > > > > > > > > nothing but an enormous Ponzi scheme that soon will fail > > unless > > > > > > > > > massive amounts of money are pumped into it. It is consumed > > by > > > > fraud > > > > > > > > > and waste. This is what happens to enormous federal > > entities. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of single payer HC should sit up and take notice. > > > > > > > > > > Community service isn't subversive it is being phased out by > > the > > > > > > > > > federal government. Our earnings are increasingly being > > > > confiscated > > > > > > > > > and we have less to help our local citizens out. The money > > is > > > > being > > > > > > > > > used to fund politicians pet projects and as bribes to get > > new > > > > > > > > > colossal spending bills passed. See the New Louisiana > > Purchase. > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > > > Chomsky has it backwards and I think he probably knows it. > > > > > > > > > > -Don > > > > > > > > > > n Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Other than the obvious irony, how would you criticize this > > > > recent > > > > > > > > > > quote by Noam? > > > > > > > > > > > "Social Security is based on an extremely dangerous > > principle: > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you should care whether the disabled widow across town has > > food > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > eat. The Social Security "reformers" would rather have you > > > > > > > concentrate > > > > > > > > > > on maximizing your own consumption of goods and > > subordinating > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > to power. That's life. Caring for other people, and taking > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > responsibility for things like health and retirement — > > that's > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > deeply subversive." – Noam Chomsky > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.zcommunications.org/zquotes/2600 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > Google > > > > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > > > > > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google > > > > Groups > > > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > <minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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