More of Orn's favorite...bifurcation! The reality is, .01% may be truly active terrorists (and I sincerely doubt the number is that low...), but 60% live in countries where Islamic Theocratic Rule mandates beatings and executions for renouncing your faith, or converting to another faith, and horrifying "punishments" for women to have the audacity to go out alone, drive, be educated, choose whom to share their body or lives with, or Allah Forbid, be raped. Overwhelmingly, the men of those countries support said policies, and Sharia law.
Interesting to me that you think of the liberties in the west, which include equality between genders, free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, etc, as: "Western society demand(ing) its right to be intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't view that as civilised behaviour." Hmmm...so, it's not the CORE differences in our liberty based society that offends them, it's the excesses of the minority. Interesting. I personally don't view burying 12 year old girls to their necks and stoning them to death for the crime of being raped as civilized, but hey, perhaps we just have a different perspective. I'm not sure why it is you think Muslims will be left with the moral high ground...perhaps you find Sharia law to be an attractive rule set and world view to live under? Surprising to me that someone in such a modern environment would have such a barbaric perspective. It's one thing to note that the tenets of a religion do not match the actions of the followers; hell, that's the problem with religions the world over. It is, however, very much a case of sticking your head in the sand to deny that the general actions of a vast majority of a religion's followers (who live in Sharia based societies), reflect on that religion as a whole. Would you be so passionately apologetic of Christianity? I'm guessing not, but feel free to correct me. Compare human rights in any Muslim controlled country to any of the Western secular controlled countries. Compare the general standard of living of the masses. Compare the number of atrocities perpetuated in the name of religion between the two. Moral high ground? Ludicrous. The twelve apostles of Christ had some interesting ideas. The religion since then has been a blood thirsty, backwards, barbaric organization responsible for the deaths of millions. Only in the last century has Christianity made ANY forward movement in social evolution. Islam is still 300 years behind that. P.S. Here's some good reading about the history of Islamic Militancy. It goes back FAR further than you apparently seem to think. http://islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/IncessantTerrorism.htm On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3 Dec, 01:53, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting development. Perhaps, despite tremendous efforts from the > > PC crowd, some folks are beginning to see the connection between > > Islamic militant terrorism and your friendly neighborhood mosque. In > > the chatter in the control room(water cooler) I heard something about > > some politician offering to allow it when Saudi Arabia allows > > Christian churches to be built there. No going, apparently. > > > > Another problem is the Islamic schools popping up all over western > > culture. All funded by rich Arabs for the most part. A study done on > > the text books supplied these kids was a little alarming. Little > > Osamas are being indoctrinated on our home soil. Unless laws are > > changed this problem will increase. I'm still flabbergasted we didn't > > start profiling at the airports after 9/11. I'm shocked folks are > > still whining about the Patriot Act. > > > > It could just be a numbers game. Given a Muslim population of 1.6 > Billion (1,600,000,000), if 0.01% of them are militant terrorists > (i.e., 99.99% good people), then there are 16,000 problems out there. > And 16 thousand people can, if organised, cause a great deal of > trouble. However, that shouldn't paint the other 99.99% of good > people with the paintbrush called 'Terrorist Potential'. We are ALL > potential terrorists, given the right impetus, so the profiling should > be for ALL. > > > If we could get these other countries to open their borders and allow > > freedom of religion I'd feel a lot better about allowing them to build > > more here. I am not, by the way, in favor of interment camps or > > shutting down the mosques already here that have proven themselves > > peaceful and are a compliment to the community. I have to say that or > > some of you would be jumping down my throat accusing me of genocide. > > > > -Don > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Dez., 17:58, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Fantastic news and, despite what you say, very progressive! :) > > > > > Er, Ian, I don't believe I personally put forward any opinion as to > > > the progressive, or otherwise nature of the decision of the Swiss > > > people in my original post. I simply formulated some of the questions > > > which are being publicly discussed in Europe following the referendum. > > > > > Formally, the Swiss simply decided to forbid the building of minarets > > > in their country. No more, no less. Symbolically, of course, writing > > > this prohibition into Swiss law means much more - indeed, many > > > different things to different people. Personally, I would incline to > > > the view that what can and cannot be built is more a matter for local > > > authorities and their procedures for granting planning permission. A > > > well-designed mosque with minaret may well improve certain urban > > > landscapes from an architectural/aesthetic perspective, just as many > > > badly designed and situated Christian churches are simply ugly and > > > just don't fit in where they are. > > > > > The much deeper question of Islam and the relationship between it, as > > > a religious-cultural-political Weltanschauung and western societies > > > and the values they (we) see as being basic to their (our) self- > > > understanding is complex and multi-facetted. My hope is that this > > > thread may take up some of these issues. > > > > > Francis > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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