It is instructional to note the snarling, snorting and chewing at the red meat when a simple copy/paste is presented.
On Dec 3, 8:10 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > More of Orn's favorite...bifurcation! > > The reality is, .01% may be truly active terrorists (and I sincerely doubt > the number is that low...), but 60% live in countries where Islamic > Theocratic Rule mandates beatings and executions for renouncing your faith, > or converting to another faith, and horrifying "punishments" for women to > have the audacity to go out alone, drive, be educated, choose whom to share > their body or lives with, or Allah Forbid, be raped. Overwhelmingly, the men > of those countries support said policies, and Sharia law. > > Interesting to me that you think of the liberties in the west, which include > equality between genders, free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the > press, etc, as: > "Western society demand(ing) its right to be > intoxicated and irascible to the point of outright destructive > behaviour afterwards and the duty to oppress one another through usury > and other ways (in the name of 'Survival of the Fittest', a euphemism > for maintaining that animal instincts are the way forward!!) and > Muslims don't understand why Western, supposedly civilised people, > demand the right to act like idiots, screw up the environment and take > as much as is possible from those who have the least. Muslims don't > view that as civilised behaviour." > > Hmmm...so, it's not the CORE differences in our liberty based society that > offends them, it's the excesses of the minority. Interesting. I personally > don't view burying 12 year old girls to their necks and stoning them to > death for the crime of being raped as civilized, but hey, perhaps we just > have a different perspective. I'm not sure why it is you think Muslims will > be left with the moral high ground...perhaps you find Sharia law to be an > attractive rule set and world view to live under? Surprising to me that > someone in such a modern environment would have such a barbaric > perspective. > > It's one thing to note that the tenets of a religion do not match the > actions of the followers; hell, that's the problem with religions the world > over. It is, however, very much a case of sticking your head in the sand to > deny that the general actions of a vast majority of a religion's followers > (who live in Sharia based societies), reflect on that religion as a whole. > Would you be so passionately apologetic of Christianity? I'm guessing not, > but feel free to correct me. > > Compare human rights in any Muslim controlled country to any of the Western > secular controlled countries. Compare the general standard of living of the > masses. Compare the number of atrocities perpetuated in the name of religion > between the two. Moral high ground? Ludicrous. > > The twelve apostles of Christ had some interesting ideas. The religion since > then has been a blood thirsty, backwards, barbaric organization responsible > for the deaths of millions. Only in the last century has Christianity made > ANY forward movement in social evolution. Islam is still 300 years behind > that. > > P.S. Here's some good reading about the history of Islamic Militancy. It > goes back FAR further than you apparently seem to think. > > http://islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/IncessantTerrorism.htm > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3 Dec, 01:53, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Interesting development. Perhaps, despite tremendous efforts from the > > > PC crowd, some folks are beginning to see the connection between > > > Islamic militant terrorism and your friendly neighborhood mosque. In > > > the chatter in the control room(water cooler) I heard something about > > > some politician offering to allow it when Saudi Arabia allows > > > Christian churches to be built there. No going, apparently. > > > > Another problem is the Islamic schools popping up all over western > > > culture. All funded by rich Arabs for the most part. A study done on > > > the text books supplied these kids was a little alarming. Little > > > Osamas are being indoctrinated on our home soil. Unless laws are > > > changed this problem will increase. I'm still flabbergasted we didn't > > > start profiling at the airports after 9/11. I'm shocked folks are > > > still whining about the Patriot Act. > > > It could just be a numbers game. Given a Muslim population of 1.6 > > Billion (1,600,000,000), if 0.01% of them are militant terrorists > > (i.e., 99.99% good people), then there are 16,000 problems out there. > > And 16 thousand people can, if organised, cause a great deal of > > trouble. However, that shouldn't paint the other 99.99% of good > > people with the paintbrush called 'Terrorist Potential'. We are ALL > > potential terrorists, given the right impetus, so the profiling should > > be for ALL. > > > > If we could get these other countries to open their borders and allow > > > freedom of religion I'd feel a lot better about allowing them to build > > > more here. I am not, by the way, in favor of interment camps or > > > shutting down the mosques already here that have proven themselves > > > peaceful and are a compliment to the community. I have to say that or > > > some of you would be jumping down my throat accusing me of genocide. > > > > -Don > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 2 Dez., 17:58, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Fantastic news and, despite what you say, very progressive! :) > > > > > Er, Ian, I don't believe I personally put forward any opinion as to > > > > the progressive, or otherwise nature of the decision of the Swiss > > > > people in my original post. I simply formulated some of the questions > > > > which are being publicly discussed in Europe following the referendum. > > > > > Formally, the Swiss simply decided to forbid the building of minarets > > > > in their country. No more, no less. Symbolically, of course, writing > > > > this prohibition into Swiss law means much more - indeed, many > > > > different things to different people. Personally, I would incline to > > > > the view that what can and cannot be built is more a matter for local > > > > authorities and their procedures for granting planning permission. A > > > > well-designed mosque with minaret may well improve certain urban > > > > landscapes from an architectural/aesthetic perspective, just as many > > > > badly designed and situated Christian churches are simply ugly and > > > > just don't fit in where they are. > > > > > The much deeper question of Islam and the relationship between it, as > > > > a religious-cultural-political Weltanschauung and western societies > > > > and the values they (we) see as being basic to their (our) self- > > > > understanding is complex and multi-facetted. My hope is that this > > > > thread may take up some of these issues. > > > > > Francis > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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