On Feb 10, 2:50 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10 Feb, 05:31, Errol <[email protected]> wrote: > > I thought you were trying to impugn claims made by the God of Abraham > that could be (or have been) disproven by science. The God of Abraham > Himself impugned the New and Old Testaments in the Qur'an. So, > basically, you were agreeing WITH the God of Abraham that those > previous books have been tampered with/corrupted in some way. The > whole purpose OF the Qur'an was to set the record straight. And the > claims made IN it (that is, those of scientific value) have only been > supported by scienctific findings, later. I don't blame you for not > trying to impugn the Qur'an; it's nigh on impossible. >
Fine then, you're on Quran. 22:65 Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatsoever is in the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He withholds the heaven FROM FALLING ON THE EARTH except with His permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men. So, the sky above us is something heavy and hard which could cause serious damage, even kill people, if it were to fall down. That certainly is scientific nonsense. Q. 35:41 Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth LEST THEY MOVE away from their places, and if they were TO MOVE away from their places, there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft Forgiving. So, the heavens and earth are stationary? One Muslim website candidly admits that the heavens and earth are in fact stationary according to the Quran: Question: ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM, WHAT IS THE RULING OF SHARIA ON THE MOVEMENT OF EARTH. GIVE EXPLANATION. Answer: According to the teaching of Quran and Hadith, the sky and earth ARE STATIONARY and planets rotate. It is the sun that moves around the earth WHILE THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE AROUND THE SUN. Q. 71:15-20 Have you not regarded how God created seven heavens one upon another, and set the moon therein for a light and the sun for a lamp? Oh really? Q. 78:6-7 Have WE not made the earth AS A BED, And the mountains AS PEGS? One of many which suggests that the earth is flat >From the Muslim traditions Here are the traditions which renowned Muslim historian al-Tabari transmitted regarding the meaning of surah 68:1. He basically repeats what Ibn Kathir wrote. Someone might say: If it is as you have described, namely, that God created the earth before the heaven, then what is the meaning of the statement of Ibn ‘Abbas told all of you by Wasil b. ‘Abd al-A‘la al- Asadi- Muhammad b. Fudayl- al-A‘mash- Abu Zabyan- Ibn ‘Abbas: The first thing God created is the Pen. God then said to it: Write!, whereupon the Pen asked: What shall I write, my lord! God replied: Write what is predestined! He continued: And the Pen proceeded to (write) whatever is predestined and gong to be to the Coming of the Hour. God then lifted up the water vapor and split the heavens off from it. Then God created THE FISH (nun), AND THE EARTH WAS SPREAD OUT UPON ITS BACK. The fish became agitated, with the result that the earth was shaken up. It was steadied BY MEANS OF THE MOUNTAINS, for they indeed proudly (tower) over the earth. This is all far too lengthy to quote extensively but in summary Allah has spread out or flattened the earth on the back of a great fish (or whale). Allah created mountains to keep the earth from shaking due to the movement of the fish. The fish is floating in some extra-terrestrial water. The water is upon a rock. This rock is on the back of an angel. The angel himself is standing upon a rock. This other rock is supported by wind which is neither in the heavens nor the earth! Other traditions say that the great fish is underneath the seventh earth. On the fish’s back there is a rock the size of the heavens and earth. There is an ox upon this rock having 40,000 horns! Furthermore, this ox supports all the seven earths upon its back! Other traditions say that the ox is supported by the fish. There is a sea above the seventh heaven. Finally, above this seventh heaven there are eight mountain goats! Very scientific I imagine. but wait there's a lot more. I lived in Saudi arabia for many years and was given a great deal of literature which i would love to share with you. The literature in Saudi has not been westernised to edit out what we would otherwise consider ludicrous, or even downright funny, but I first await your response to the above -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
