On 12 Feb, 13:15, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Heh like all religous text, it's all in the reading. >
Indeed. And why interpretation is so tricky. When you don't believe in places outside the 4-D universe, you'd easily conflate heaven and sky. God, though, KNOWS the difference. > On 12 Feb, 12:23, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Feb, 14:07, Errol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Feb 10, 2:50 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Feb, 05:31, Errol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I thought you were trying to impugn claims made by the God of Abraham > > > > that could be (or have been) disproven by science. The God of Abraham > > > > Himself impugned the New and Old Testaments in the Qur'an. So, > > > > basically, you were agreeing WITH the God of Abraham that those > > > > previous books have been tampered with/corrupted in some way. The > > > > whole purpose OF the Qur'an was to set the record straight. And the > > > > claims made IN it (that is, those of scientific value) have only been > > > > supported by scienctific findings, later. I don't blame you for not > > > > trying to impugn the Qur'an; it's nigh on impossible. > > > > Fine then, you're on > > > > Quran. 22:65 > > > > Do you not see that Allah has made subservient to you whatsoever is in > > > the earth and the ships running in the sea by His command? And He > > > withholds the heaven FROM FALLING ON THE EARTH except with His > > > permission; most surely Allah is Compassionate, Merciful to men. > > > > So, the sky above us is something heavy and hard which could cause > > > serious damage, even kill people, if it were to fall down. That > > > certainly is scientific nonsense. > > > However, you've made a blunder by equating 'the heaven' with 'the > > sky'. Are you familiar with the difference? > > > > Q. 35:41 > > > > Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth LEST THEY MOVE away > > > from their places, and if they were TO MOVE away from their places, > > > there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever > > > Most Forbearing, Oft Forgiving. > > > > So, the heavens and earth are stationary? > > > > One Muslim website candidly admits that the heavens and earth are in > > > fact stationary according to the Quran: > > > > Question: > > > ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM, WHAT IS THE RULING OF SHARIA ON THE MOVEMENT OF > > > EARTH. > > > GIVE EXPLANATION. > > > > Answer: > > > According to the teaching of Quran and Hadith, the sky and earth ARE > > > STATIONARY and planets rotate. It is the sun that moves around the > > > earth WHILE THE EARTH DOES NOT MOVE AROUND THE SUN. > > > > Q. 71:15-20 > > > > Have you not regarded how God created seven heavens one upon another, > > > and set the moon therein for a light and the sun for a lamp? > > > > Oh really? > > > > Q. 78:6-7 > > > > Have WE not made the earth AS A BED, And the mountains AS PEGS? > > > > One of many which suggests that the earth is flat > > > > From the Muslim traditions > > > > Here are the traditions which renowned Muslim historian al-Tabari > > > transmitted regarding the meaning of surah 68:1. He basically repeats > > > what Ibn Kathir wrote. > > > > Someone might say: If it is as you have described, namely, that God > > > created the earth before the heaven, then what is the meaning of the > > > statement of Ibn ‘Abbas told all of you by Wasil b. ‘Abd al-A‘la al- > > > Asadi- Muhammad b. Fudayl- al-A‘mash- Abu Zabyan- Ibn ‘Abbas: The > > > first thing God created is the Pen. God then said to it: Write!, > > > whereupon the Pen asked: What shall I write, my lord! God replied: > > > Write what is predestined! He continued: And the Pen proceeded to > > > (write) whatever is predestined and gong to be to the Coming of the > > > Hour. God then lifted up the water vapor and split the heavens off > > > from it. Then God created THE FISH (nun), AND THE EARTH WAS SPREAD OUT > > > UPON ITS BACK. The fish became agitated, with the result that the > > > earth was shaken up. It was steadied BY MEANS OF THE MOUNTAINS, for > > > they indeed proudly (tower) over the earth. > > > > This is all far too lengthy to quote extensively but in summary > > > > Allah has spread out or flattened the earth on the back of a great > > > fish (or whale). > > > Allah created mountains to keep the earth from shaking due to the > > > movement of the fish. > > > The fish is floating in some extra-terrestrial water. > > > The water is upon a rock. > > > This rock is on the back of an angel. > > > The angel himself is standing upon a rock. > > > This other rock is supported by wind which is neither in the heavens > > > nor the earth! > > > Other traditions say that the great fish is underneath the seventh > > > earth. > > > On the fish’s back there is a rock the size of the heavens and earth. > > > There is an ox upon this rock having 40,000 horns! > > > Furthermore, this ox supports all the seven earths upon its back! > > > Other traditions say that the ox is supported by the fish. > > > There is a sea above the seventh heaven. > > > Finally, above this seventh heaven there are eight mountain goats! > > > > Very scientific I imagine. but wait there's a lot more. > > > > I lived in Saudi arabia for many years and was given a great deal of > > > literature which i would love to share with you. The literature in > > > Saudi has not been westernised to edit out what we would otherwise > > > consider ludicrous, or even downright funny, but I first await your > > > response to the above- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
