"what seems to be is, to those to whom it seems to be." - William Blake
On Feb 12, 8:06 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Your a hard case Pat, but your position is weakening. The combination > of the temporal dimension with that of space-time still represents > individual components as a 3+1 model. Time is an added component to > establish when the where event takes place and still subject to time > dilation via the influence of light speed and gravitational forces. > It is not that time is being separated but that it is recognized as > being unique in relation to the other dimensions. That aspect alone > separates it as a a unique dimension regardless of the mathematical > model which essentially only combines several physical "theories". If > you remember this from Peyi a fini, we concluded with your > consciousness involves the entity of your physical being > which exists as a mathematical property. To conclude that your > consciousness establishes a similarity that extends space time calabi > yau is conjectural theory which relies on the exclusion of fluxes. > That alone negates a fixed set of parameters within the dimension. > Much of it all comes out of the need to establish string theory with > models of unseen spatial dimensions. So establishing a consciousness > within that realm seems a bit premature and unfounded based on the > lack of physical evidence. Of course you can always add an imaginary > physical being with a consciousness in the string theory landscape, > but you probably did that already, ergo; God and the Plan. > To which you replied; I like it. Although I disagree, I see your > point. Premature? Well, > perhaps, but that's what speculation IS. I state it because, given > ALL of human experiences, this conformation is the only one that CAN > explain them all. I no of no other that comes anywhere close. My > physics is the simplest explanation that covers all phenomena. All > others leave huge gaps. Should I apologise for my foresight? > So Pat, you see the points but are stuck on a quest and a belief that > still remains dependent upon validation of numerous theories and > speculations. Science fiction is and has been a source of wondrous > speculations and theories but still regardless of the formulations > that make them appear to have solidified remain fiction. However, > with that in mind I will say that I don't and never have faulted you > for having the foresight. Many imaginings of men of the past have > come to fruition though they were thought pipe dreams in their time. > Perhaps there will be a time in the far future that these theories and > speculative concepts will take on new meaning in the world, > unfortunately and in the context of our dialogue we are both lost in > dreamland. > > On Feb 12, 10:14 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Feb, 21:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > All I'll say is "what ever you do is what is in the space-time > > > continuum". And, as the space-time continuum contains all of space > > > and time, those events have ALWAYS been there and will ALWAYS remain > > > there. 'What you imagine your choices are' are just spatio-temporal > > > events that exist in the continuum. >Pat > > > > Really Pat, the Space-time Continuum has hardly been portrayed by the > > > scientific community as containing all elements of time, that > > > essentially and for this instance, being a containment of events past > > > and future within the time portal. > > > Not generally, no, because of how people react TO that. But look back > > at a few of Einstein's quotes like: Free Will is not compatible with > > space-time. He understood it but realised it wasn't a kettle of fish > > HE wan'ted to open. Minkowski knew it too. But, because of the > > radical changes it makes to the meaning of our lives, these people > > 'chose' to avoid that aspect of it and focus on physical things that > > DIDN'T open moral ketles of fish. > > > By definition a continuum contains all the point of whatever it > > contains. Therefore, if the continuum is a space-time continuum, it > > MUST contain all the spatio-temporal events that have occurred/are > > occurring/will occur. > > > >The non-spatial aspect of the time > > > dimension alone requires alternate mathematical equation, separate and > > > independent, in order to even begin evaluating it as having the > > > capability of containing incidents with 3d spatial qualities in some > > > chronological sequence. The temporal dimension may indicate a "when" > > > an occurrence may take place without defining the occurrence. > > > But the temporal and spatial dimensions are NOT separate. Therefore > > one cannot separate them like that. They are stiched together for all > > time throughout all space. And that would include the entire > > continuum of Big Bang-to-ultimate destruction-to-next Big Ban > > sequence. The entire sequence of Big Bang sequences is contained in > > the space-time continuum. > > > >But I > > > do think that more inquiry should be directed towards whether the > > > human mind, human imagination and human will is interdependent upon > > > any sequence in the temporal dimension of the space-time continuum. > > > Perhaps that is where distinction takes place, the departure of the > > > sentient experience from that of ordinary events confined to the > > > temporal dimension. This could be exemplified by the continuity of > > > planetary systems and orbital sequences within the universe. We can > > > calculate a solar eclipse or what time the sun will rise at any given > > > global coordinate but cannot indicate any future event concerning the > > > human experience ie; longevity and demise. So the attempt to establish > > > a connection between human events based on theoretical speculations is > > > at best speculative in and of itself. > > > Mostly, we can't calculate human events because the REAL events are > > quantum events. If we knew, for example, that there was a large > > asteroid headed for the Moon that would destroy it tomorrow, our > > 'calculations' for the next solar Eclipse would NOT have taken that > > into account. Therefore, even those occultations are 'presuming' that > > any unforeseen circumstances won't upset the system. They might and, > > as they are unforeseen, we won't know until it's too late. > > > > Now of course you should re-examine religious concepts that allow for > > > huge "IFs" such as destinations to heavenly locales based upon moral > > > behavioral choices when you are presenting "destiny" in the form of > > > pre-destined human experiences contained in the space-time continuum. > > > This is one of the main flaws in your presentation that leaves me > > > doubtful. > > > The Qur'an is qute clear that Allah guides whom He will and 'leaves > > astray' whom He will. This pretty well sums up that some people, > > whether they like it or not ARE damned from birth. But, because we > > have no access to the future, we don't know, ourselves, who those > > people are and could, change our thinking to avoid it. Whilst we > > would be, in reality, only fulfilling our destiny from God's > > perspective, from OUR perspective, we would 'think' we have altered > > our way of life in such a way as to preserve our souls. > > Remember that the key facts that give us the illusion of free will > > are: > > 1) We have no access to the future > > 2) We can speculate before we act > > > Change either of those two, and the illusion will disappear. > > > > On Feb 10, 6:20 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 10 Feb, 02:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Prescribed "Destiny" cannot be possible because I can choose tomorrow > > > > > to stay in bed everyday until my destiny is forced upon me. Choice is > > > > > not destiny. Please don't try to tell me that then my destiny will be > > > > > to remain in bed everyday 24/7 because that is not going to fly. > > > > > All I'll say is "what ever you do is what is in the space-time > > > > continuum". And, as the space-time continuum contains all of space > > > > and time, those events have ALWAYS been there and will ALWAYS remain > > > > there. 'What you imagine your choices are' are just spatio-temporal > > > > events that exist in the continuum. > > > > > > The real issue with world hunger/poverty is that it "IS" curable. > > > > > There are simple solutions to world hunger/poverty but humanity is > > > > > just not doing anything about it. There are simple solutions to > > > > > homelessness but humanity is not doing anything about it. > > > > > Yup. Agreed. Sad, though, isn't it? > > > > > > What humanity "IS" doing is foreclosing on homes and farms, paying > > > > > farmers not to grow crops as a means of controlling stock figures and > > > > > numerous other blockage devices designed to encourage quagmires. > > > > > > What humanity "IS" doing is setting up systems of government and > > > > > financial institutions that create "Mega Wealth" and "Wars" to gain > > > > > wealth and it "IS" being accomplished without any problem. > > > > > Mega wealth>No Problem War>No Problem Hunger>Problem > > > > > Homelessness>Problem Poverty>Problem > > > > > > Then you have the sheep that are freezing in the cold while their wool > > > > > is constantly being fleeced. They don't understand why they are > > > > > always in the cold when they have so much wool. They look and see > > > > > the fleecers living warm and cozy with their wool and see piles of > > > > > wool not being used but sold to other fleecers. The sheep get tired > > > > > of being cold so they start to get back their wool but the prices are > > > > > really high and some sheep can't afford to buy any, so they must > > > > > remain cold, some are so cold that they freeze to death. Some of the > > > > > sheep protest but many of them are jailed, assassinated and turned > > > > > into mutton soup. > > > > > One of the sheep named Shep tells the other sheep that the reason they > > > > > are cold is because they were born as bad sheep and must pray to > > > > > BahBah the great sheep deity. Shep teaches the sheep how to pray and > > > > > tells the sheep they need to keep him warm so that he can keep > > > > > teaching them about BahBah. The sheep > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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