Pat said: 'Time is the space between events. Simple as.'
Hey Pat, I would have it much more simpler than even that. Time is the measurment of the decaying of 'matter' On 16 Feb, 12:41, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 13 Feb, 01:06, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Your a hard case Pat, but your position is weakening. The combination > > of the temporal dimension with that of space-time still represents > > individual components as a 3+1 model. Time is an added component to > > establish when the where event takes place and still subject to time > > dilation via the influence of light speed and gravitational forces. > > It is not that time is being separated but that it is recognized as > > being unique in relation to the other dimensions. That aspect alone > > separates it as a a unique dimension regardless of the mathematical > > model which essentially only combines several physical "theories". If > > you remember this from Peyi a fini, we concluded with your > > consciousness involves the entity of your physical being > > which exists as a mathematical property. To conclude that your > > consciousness establishes a similarity that extends space time calabi > > yau is conjectural theory which relies on the exclusion of fluxes. > > That alone negates a fixed set of parameters within the dimension. > > Much of it all comes out of the need to establish string theory with > > models of unseen spatial dimensions. So establishing a consciousness > > within that realm seems a bit premature and unfounded based on the > > lack of physical evidence. Of course you can always add an imaginary > > physical being with a consciousness in the string theory landscape, > > but you probably did that already, ergo; God and the Plan. > > To which you replied; I like it. Although I disagree, I see your > > point. Premature? Well, > > perhaps, but that's what speculation IS. I state it because, given > > ALL of human experiences, this conformation is the only one that CAN > > explain them all. I no of no other that comes anywhere close. My > > physics is the simplest explanation that covers all phenomena. All > > others leave huge gaps. Should I apologise for my foresight? > > So Pat, you see the points but are stuck on a quest and a belief that > > still remains dependent upon validation of numerous theories and > > speculations. Science fiction is and has been a source of wondrous > > speculations and theories but still regardless of the formulations > > that make them appear to have solidified remain fiction. However, > > with that in mind I will say that I don't and never have faulted you > > for having the foresight. Many imaginings of men of the past have > > come to fruition though they were thought pipe dreams in their time. > > Perhaps there will be a time in the far future that these theories and > > speculative concepts will take on new meaning in the world, > > unfortunately and in the context of our dialogue we are both lost in > > dreamland. > > Well, you're lost, I'm not. Whilst I completely admit that my > theories are speculative, that is what the hypothesis part of the > scientific method is. It's where science begins. I've drawn > conclusions that may be, technically, premature, yet may be, actually, > spot on. Whether or not there is enough time to prove them is another > aspect. We might infer some aspects which point towards it, but it > may only get that far. It's too early to tell. Yet I will not be > thwarted in my hypothesising simply because that's what it is. I feel > science needs to be pointed in the right direction and, in some areas, > is (as the quote from Raiders of the Lost Ark goes) 'digging in the > wrong place'. > > Back to the space-time continuum...It isn't a 3+1; it's a 1 that is > {3,1} in nature. There's a difference. Time isn't added, it was > always there. Time is the space between events. Simple as. > > > > > On Feb 12, 10:14 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10 Feb, 21:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > All I'll say is "what ever you do is what is in the space-time > > > > continuum". And, as the space-time continuum contains all of space > > > > and time, those events have ALWAYS been there and will ALWAYS remain > > > > there. 'What you imagine your choices are' are just spatio-temporal > > > > events that exist in the continuum. >Pat > > > > > Really Pat, the Space-time Continuum has hardly been portrayed by the > > > > scientific community as containing all elements of time, that > > > > essentially and for this instance, being a containment of events past > > > > and future within the time portal. > > > > Not generally, no, because of how people react TO that. But look back > > > at a few of Einstein's quotes like: Free Will is not compatible with > > > space-time. He understood it but realised it wasn't a kettle of fish > > > HE wan'ted to open. Minkowski knew it too. But, because of the > > > radical changes it makes to the meaning of our lives, these people > > > 'chose' to avoid that aspect of it and focus on physical things that > > > DIDN'T open moral ketles of fish. > > > > By definition a continuum contains all the point of whatever it > > > contains. Therefore, if the continuum is a space-time continuum, it > > > MUST contain all the spatio-temporal events that have occurred/are > > > occurring/will occur. > > > > >The non-spatial aspect of the time > > > > dimension alone requires alternate mathematical equation, separate and > > > > independent, in order to even begin evaluating it as having the > > > > capability of containing incidents with 3d spatial qualities in some > > > > chronological sequence. The temporal dimension may indicate a "when" > > > > an occurrence may take place without defining the occurrence. > > > > But the temporal and spatial dimensions are NOT separate. Therefore > > > one cannot separate them like that. They are stiched together for all > > > time throughout all space. And that would include the entire > > > continuum of Big Bang-to-ultimate destruction-to-next Big Ban > > > sequence. The entire sequence of Big Bang sequences is contained in > > > the space-time continuum. > > > > >But I > > > > do think that more inquiry should be directed towards whether the > > > > human mind, human imagination and human will is interdependent upon > > > > any sequence in the temporal dimension of the space-time continuum. > > > > Perhaps that is where distinction takes place, the departure of the > > > > sentient experience from that of ordinary events confined to the > > > > temporal dimension. This could be exemplified by the continuity of > > > > planetary systems and orbital sequences within the universe. We can > > > > calculate a solar eclipse or what time the sun will rise at any given > > > > global coordinate but cannot indicate any future event concerning the > > > > human experience ie; longevity and demise. So the attempt to establish > > > > a connection between human events based on theoretical speculations is > > > > at best speculative in and of itself. > > > > Mostly, we can't calculate human events because the REAL events are > > > quantum events. If we knew, for example, that there was a large > > > asteroid headed for the Moon that would destroy it tomorrow, our > > > 'calculations' for the next solar Eclipse would NOT have taken that > > > into account. Therefore, even those occultations are 'presuming' that > > > any unforeseen circumstances won't upset the system. They might and, > > > as they are unforeseen, we won't know until it's too late. > > > > > Now of course you should re-examine religious concepts that allow for > > > > huge "IFs" such as destinations to heavenly locales based upon moral > > > > behavioral choices when you are presenting "destiny" in the form of > > > > pre-destined human experiences contained in the space-time continuum. > > > > This is one of the main flaws in your presentation that leaves me > > > > doubtful. > > > > The Qur'an is qute clear that Allah guides whom He will and 'leaves > > > astray' whom He will. This pretty well sums up that some people, > > > whether they like it or not ARE damned from birth. But, because we > > > have no access to the future, we don't know, ourselves, who those > > > people are and could, change our thinking to avoid it. Whilst we > > > would be, in reality, only fulfilling our destiny from God's > > > perspective, from OUR perspective, we would 'think' we have altered > > > our way of life in such a way as to preserve our souls. > > > Remember that the key facts that give us the illusion of free will > > > are: > > > 1) We have no access to the future > > > 2) We can speculate before we act > > > > Change either of those two, and the illusion will disappear. > > > > > On Feb 10, 6:20 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 10 Feb, 02:14, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Prescribed "Destiny" cannot be possible because I can choose > > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > to stay in bed everyday until my destiny is forced upon me. Choice > > > > > > is > > > > > > not destiny. Please don't try to tell me that then my destiny will > > > > > > be > > > > > > to remain in bed everyday 24/7 because that is not going to fly. > > > > > > All I'll say is "what ever you do is what is in the space-time > > > > > continuum". And, as the space-time continuum contains all of space > > > > > and time, those events have ALWAYS been there and will ALWAYS remain > > > > > there. 'What you imagine your choices are' are just spatio-temporal > > > > > events that exist in the continuum. > > > > > > > The real issue with world hunger/poverty is that it "IS" curable. > > > > > > There are simple solutions to world hunger/poverty but humanity is > > > > > > just not doing anything about it. There are simple solutions to > > > > > > homelessness but humanity is not doing anything about it. > > > > > > Yup. Agreed. Sad, though, isn't it? > > > > > > > What humanity "IS" doing is foreclosing on homes and farms, paying > > > > > > farmers not to grow crops as a means of controlling stock figures > > > > > > and > > > > > > numerous other blockage devices designed to encourage quagmires. > > > > > > > What humanity "IS" doing is setting up systems of government and > > > > > > financial institutions that create "Mega Wealth" and "Wars" to gain > > > > > > wealth > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
