Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it is hard to shine your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and keep and hold still a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family spread apart and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And yet the song goes on. dj and if even then you still give what you can.
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand on a planet > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. >> >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers who were so >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family dirty linens"- >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They eventually paid for >> their repression with ill-health. >> >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to unload ones sins >> and begin anew. >> >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that propelled action or >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to me. >> >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the luxury/hell of self- >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books and experts. >> Advice is cheap. >> >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some excellent >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the potential to become >> > something very good. >> > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of "depression" is >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, many different >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of treating/dealing with/ >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. >> > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for particular >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified here!) to do with >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at which many of the >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The question which can >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates a particular >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something else. In a >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate recourse to pills >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. >> > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is something awful and >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication may be >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any experience of joy in >> > life over a longer period is for me the best definition of hell I can >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural categories for it). To >> > experience one's life as continuously completely dreary and futile, to >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at some stage of the >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see one's own >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for others so that the >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to exist ... I've >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known many others who >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends killed himself >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of treatments and therapies >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. >> > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some pharmaceutical help, >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional support >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, to realise how >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in fact open to me >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to recognise, accept, >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my personality. So for me, >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was an occasion of >> > growth. >> > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental mental/psychological >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple definitions and >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the truth is rarely >> > pure and never simple." >> > >> > Francis >> > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying depression is the vast >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually every claim comes >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported by evidence. I >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our definitions of >> > > depression become more precise, so that intense sadness and >> > > paralyzing, chronic, suicidal despair are no longer lumped together in >> > > the same psychiatric category. (Lehrer) >> > >> > > I've been 'depressed' since middle teenage, with some bouts of >> > > clinical depression, partly associated with trauma. I've had some >> > > periods I'd call madness, and though I have never done anything >> > > 'serious' have found myself out of control at times in some sort of >> > > desperate way. I can claim some fairly good achievements in such >> > > periods, but mostly they are debilitating rather than manic periods. >> > > I'm coming out of difficult times at the moment and am almost >> > > 'champing at the bit', but really screwed by being physically crook. >> > > I'm about to force myself to write and 'get straight' and just >> > > beginning to feel it will work. Lehrer may help - the blog is good. >> > >> > > On 2 Mar, 01:41, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Hi Rigsby, >> > > > Slip and I have been tangentially discussing this in the Robert >> > > > Thurman post. We both want to digest it and come back here for >> > > > discussion. Very interesting. >> > >> > > > On 28 Feb, 03:00, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I meant to respond sooner Riggers, but was too depressed! True >> > > > > sadly! There is little not to be depressed about in contemplation >> of >> > > > > the human condition. I would like to believe that a world more >> > > > > engaged with truth and knowledge would help prevent this, but know >> > > > > many people who don't want to contemplate reality because it is >> too >> > > > > painful. >> > >> > > > > On 27 Feb, 13:18, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > "Depression's Upside" By Jonah Lehrer >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/magazine/28depression-t.html- Hide >> quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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