I think there is an honest place where we may do something useful with anger Molly.
On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it is hard to shine > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and keep and hold still > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family spread apart > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And yet the song goes > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand on a planet > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers who were so > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family dirty linens"- > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They eventually paid for > >> their repression with ill-health. > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to unload ones sins > >> and begin anew. > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that propelled action or > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to me. > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the luxury/hell of self- > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books and experts. > >> Advice is cheap. > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some excellent > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the potential to become > >> > something very good. > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of "depression" is > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, many different > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of treating/dealing with/ > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for particular > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified here!) to do with > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at which many of the > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The question which can > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates a particular > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something else. In a > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate recourse to pills > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is something awful and > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication may be > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any experience of joy in > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best definition of hell I can > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural categories for it). To > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely dreary and futile, to > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at some stage of the > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see one's own > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for others so that the > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to exist ... I've > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known many others who > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends killed himself > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of treatments and therapies > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some pharmaceutical help, > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional support > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, to realise how > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in fact open to me > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to recognise, accept, > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my personality. So for me, > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was an occasion of > >> > growth. > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental mental/psychological > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple definitions and > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the truth is rarely > >> > pure and never simple." > > >> > Francis > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying depression is the vast > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually every claim comes > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported by evidence. I > >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our definitions of > >> > > depression become more precise, so that intense sadness and > >> > > paralyzing, chronic, suicidal despair are no longer lumped together in > >> > > the same psychiatric category. (Lehrer) > > >> > > I've been 'depressed' since middle teenage, with some bouts of > >> > > clinical depression, partly associated with trauma. I've had some > >> > > periods I'd call madness, and though I have never done anything > >> > > 'serious' have found myself out of control at times in some sort of > >> > > desperate way. I can claim some fairly good achievements in such > >> > > periods, but mostly they are debilitating rather than manic periods. > >> > > I'm coming out of difficult times at the moment and am almost > >> > > 'champing at the bit', but really screwed by being physically crook. > >> > > I'm about to force myself to write and 'get straight' and just > >> > > beginning to feel it will work. Lehrer may help - the blog is good. > > >> > > On 2 Mar, 01:41, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Hi Rigsby, > >> > > > Slip and I have been tangentially discussing this in the Robert > >> > > > Thurman post. We both want to digest it and come back here for > >> > > > discussion. Very interesting. > > >> > > > On 28 Feb, 03:00, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > I meant to respond sooner Riggers, but was too depressed! True > >> > > > > sadly! There is little not to be depressed about in contemplation > >> of > >> > > > > the human condition. I would like to believe that a world more > >> > > > > engaged with truth and knowledge would help prevent this, but know > >> > > > > many people who don't want to contemplate reality because it is > >> too > >> > > > > painful. > > >> > > > > On 27 Feb, 13:18, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > "Depression's Upside" By Jonah Lehrer > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/magazine/28depression-t.html-Hide > >> quoted text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > >> .com> > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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