I hear that Molly - just have problems bringing it about under the intransigence of others in a collective way.
On 9 Mar, 13:40, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > I know quite a few people that create their own psychodramas for the > rush of having them and can't seem to take a step back and look at > their own role in creating the problems. I did not mean to suggest > that we deny the worst we might do with manners. From my view, the > worst and the best of us must be faced and owned full on and if there > are problems in this, it is likely due to our own fear. Interestingly > enough, only be facing our fears with complete honesty of who we are, > will the fears fade away. Nothing anyone else can do will quell this > for us. If we perceive problems that can't be solved, we don't have > all the information or are afraid to find it. At some point, it is > what it is without denial. > > If we give credence to our critics, we also give credence to > accomplishments. At some point, the only way to be honest with > ourselves is to let both go, and act with integrity according to the > dictates of the moment. We can always do this, and it will resolve > any problem. Until we create more by constantly looking for them. > > On Mar 9, 12:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Could not agree more Molly. Our manners have some purpose in denying > > the worst we might do, but they leave us with unresolved problems and > > not much means to resolve them. > > > On 8 Mar, 18:48, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > having fun with your fantasies > > > > On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent to me, no, > > > > I am a good girl *whistling* > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this we can do > > > > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually our own view. > > > > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or right the wrongs > > > > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as it is placing > > > > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the forefront of > > > > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. this is very > > > > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go off regularly. > > > > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face with our > > > > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we are given an > > > > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the warrior in us) > > > > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles injustice and > > > > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are facing. This > > > > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical action. And if we > > > > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and forgiveness > > > > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with this essential > > > > > experience again, given another invitation to face and extinguish this > > > > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it comes to > > > > > call. > > > > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most often, I think, > > > > > it is misused. > > > > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do something useful > > > > > > with > > > > > > anger Molly. > > > > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it is > > > > > > > hard to shine > > > > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and keep and > > > > > > > hold still > > > > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > > > > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family > > > > > > > spread apart > > > > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And yet > > > > > > > the song goes > > > > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand on a > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers who were > > > > > > > >> so > > > > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family dirty > > > > > > > >> linens"- > > > > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They eventually > > > > > > > >> paid for > > > > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to unload > > > > > > > >> ones sins > > > > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that propelled > > > > > > > >> action or > > > > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to me. > > > > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the luxury/hell of > > > > > > > >> self- > > > > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books and > > > > > > > >> experts. > > > > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some > > > > > > > >> > excellent > > > > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the potential > > > > > > > >> > to become > > > > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of > > > > > > > >> > "depression" is > > > > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, many > > > > > > > >> > different > > > > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of > > > > > > > >> > treating/dealing with/ > > > > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for > > > > > > > >> > particular > > > > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified here!) > > > > > > > >> > to do with > > > > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at which > > > > > > > >> > many of the > > > > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The question > > > > > > > >> > which can > > > > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates a > > > > > > > >> > particular > > > > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something else. > > > > > > > >> > In a > > > > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate > > > > > > > >> > recourse to pills > > > > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. > > > > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is something > > > > > > > >> > awful and > > > > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication may be > > > > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any experience > > > > > > > >> > of joy in > > > > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best definition of > > > > > > > >> > hell I can > > > > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural categories > > > > > > > >> > for it). To > > > > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely dreary and > > > > > > > >> > futile, to > > > > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at some > > > > > > > >> > stage of the > > > > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see one's > > > > > > > >> > own > > > > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for others so > > > > > > > >> > that the > > > > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to exist > > > > > > > >> > ... I've > > > > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known many > > > > > > > >> > others who > > > > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends killed > > > > > > > >> > himself > > > > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of treatments and > > > > > > > >> > therapies > > > > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > > > > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some > > > > > > > >> > pharmaceutical help, > > > > > > > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional support > > > > > > > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, to > > > > > > > >> > realise how > > > > > > > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in fact open > > > > > > > >> > to me > > > > > > > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to recognise, > > > > > > > >> > accept, > > > > > > > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my personality. > > > > > > > >> > So for me, > > > > > > > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was an > > > > > > > >> > occasion of > > > > > > > >> > growth. > > > > > > > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental > > > > > > > >> > mental/psychological > > > > > > > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple > > > > > > > >> > definitions and > > > > > > > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the truth > > > > > > > >> > is rarely > > > > > > > >> > pure and never simple." > > > > > > > > >> > Francis > > > > > > > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying depression > > > > > > > >> > > is the vast > > > > > > > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually every > > > > > > > >> > > claim comes > > > > > > > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported by > > > > > > > >> > > evidence. I > > > > > > > >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our > > > > > > > >> > > definitions of > > > > > > > >> > > depression become more precise, so that intense sadness and > > > > > > > >> > > paralyzing, chronic, suicidal despair are no longer lumped > > > > > > > >> > > together in > > > > > > > >> > > the same psychiatric category. (Lehrer) > > > > > > > > >> > > I've been 'depressed' since middle teenage, with some > > > > > > > >> > > bouts of > > > > > > > >> > > clinical depression, partly associated with trauma. I've > > > > > > > >> > > had some > > > > > > > >> > > periods I'd call madness, and though I have never done > > > > > > > >> > > anything > > > > > > > >> > > 'serious' have found myself out of control at times in > > > > > > > >> > > some sort of > > > > > > > >> > > desperate way. I can claim some fairly good achievements > > > > > > > >> > > in such > > > > > > > >> > > periods, but mostly they are debilitating rather than > > > > > > > >> > > manic periods. > > > > > > > >> > > I'm coming out of difficult times at the moment and am > > > > > > > >> > > almost > > > > > > > >> > > 'champing at the bit', but really screwed by being > > > > > > > >> > > physically crook. > > > > > > > >> > > I'm about to force myself to write and 'get straight' and > > > > > > > >> > > just > > > > > > > >> > > beginning to feel it will work. Lehrer may help - the > > > > > > > >> > > blog is good. > > > > > > > > >> > > On 2 Mar, 01:41, archytas > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
