Do you give the promise to yourself, and allow yourself to fulfill it, or expect someone else to issue and fulfill?
On Mar 11, 3:57 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The standard promise Molly. > > On 10 Mar, 14:17, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > this may just be the invitation into more - something better than you > > could imagine! > > > On Mar 9, 12:13 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I hear that Molly - just have problems bringing it about under the > > > intransigence of others in a collective way. > > > > On 9 Mar, 13:40, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I know quite a few people that create their own psychodramas for the > > > > rush of having them and can't seem to take a step back and look at > > > > their own role in creating the problems. I did not mean to suggest > > > > that we deny the worst we might do with manners. From my view, the > > > > worst and the best of us must be faced and owned full on and if there > > > > are problems in this, it is likely due to our own fear. Interestingly > > > > enough, only be facing our fears with complete honesty of who we are, > > > > will the fears fade away. Nothing anyone else can do will quell this > > > > for us. If we perceive problems that can't be solved, we don't have > > > > all the information or are afraid to find it. At some point, it is > > > > what it is without denial. > > > > > If we give credence to our critics, we also give credence to > > > > accomplishments. At some point, the only way to be honest with > > > > ourselves is to let both go, and act with integrity according to the > > > > dictates of the moment. We can always do this, and it will resolve > > > > any problem. Until we create more by constantly looking for them. > > > > > On Mar 9, 12:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Could not agree more Molly. Our manners have some purpose in denying > > > > > the worst we might do, but they leave us with unresolved problems and > > > > > not much means to resolve them. > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 18:48, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > having fun with your fantasies > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent to > > > > > > > me, no, > > > > > > > I am a good girl *whistling* > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this we > > > > > > > > can do > > > > > > > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually our own > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or right the > > > > > > > > wrongs > > > > > > > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as it is > > > > > > > > placing > > > > > > > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > > > > > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the > > > > > > > > forefront of > > > > > > > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. this > > > > > > > > is very > > > > > > > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go off > > > > > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face with our > > > > > > > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we are > > > > > > > > given an > > > > > > > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the warrior > > > > > > > > in us) > > > > > > > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles injustice and > > > > > > > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are facing. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical action. And > > > > > > > > if we > > > > > > > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and > > > > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with this > > > > > > > > essential > > > > > > > > experience again, given another invitation to face and > > > > > > > > extinguish this > > > > > > > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it comes > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > call. > > > > > > > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most often, I > > > > > > > > think, > > > > > > > > it is misused. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do something > > > > > > > > > useful with > > > > > > > > > anger Molly. > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it > > > > > > > > > > is hard to shine > > > > > > > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and > > > > > > > > > > keep and hold still > > > > > > > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > > > > > > > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family > > > > > > > > > > spread apart > > > > > > > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And > > > > > > > > > > yet the song goes > > > > > > > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand > > > > > > > > > > > on a planet > > > > > > > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers > > > > > > > > > > >> who were so > > > > > > > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family > > > > > > > > > > >> dirty linens"- > > > > > > > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They > > > > > > > > > > >> eventually paid for > > > > > > > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > > > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to > > > > > > > > > > >> unload ones sins > > > > > > > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that > > > > > > > > > > >> propelled action or > > > > > > > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to > > > > > > > > > > >> me. > > > > > > > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the > > > > > > > > > > >> luxury/hell of self- > > > > > > > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books > > > > > > > > > > >> and experts. > > > > > > > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman > > > > > > > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some > > > > > > > > > > >> > excellent > > > > > > > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the > > > > > > > > > > >> > potential to become > > > > > > > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of > > > > > > > > > > >> > "depression" is > > > > > > > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, > > > > > > > > > > >> > many different > > > > > > > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of > > > > > > > > > > >> > treating/dealing with/ > > > > > > > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for > > > > > > > > > > >> > particular > > > > > > > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified > > > > > > > > > > >> > here!) to do with > > > > > > > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at > > > > > > > > > > >> > which many of the > > > > > > > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The > > > > > > > > > > >> > question which can > > > > > > > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates > > > > > > > > > > >> > a particular > > > > > > > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something > > > > > > > > > > >> > else. In a > > > > > > > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate > > > > > > > > > > >> > recourse to pills > > > > > > > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is > > > > > > > > > > >> > something awful and > > > > > > > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication > > > > > > > > > > >> > may be > > > > > > > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any > > > > > > > > > > >> > experience of joy in > > > > > > > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best > > > > > > > > > > >> > definition of hell I can > > > > > > > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural > > > > > > > > > > >> > categories for it). To > > > > > > > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely > > > > > > > > > > >> > dreary and futile, to > > > > > > > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at > > > > > > > > > > >> > some stage of the > > > > > > > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see > > > > > > > > > > >> > one's own > > > > > > > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for > > > > > > > > > > >> > others so that the > > > > > > > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to > > > > > > > > > > >> > exist ... I've > > > > > > > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known > > > > > > > > > > >> > many others who > > > > > > > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends > > > > > > > > > > >> > killed himself > > > > > > > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of > > > > > > > > > > >> > treatments and therapies > > > > > > > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some > > > > > > > > > > >> > pharmaceutical help, > > > > > > > > > > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional > > > > > > > > > > >> > support > > > > > > > > > > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, > > > > > > > > > > >> > to realise how > > > > > > > > > > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in > > > > > > > > > > >> > fact open to me > > > > > > > > > > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to > > > > > > > > > > >> > recognise, accept, > > > > > > > > > > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my > > > > > > > > > > >> > personality. So for me, > > > > > > > > > > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was > > > > > > > > > > >> > an occasion of > > > > > > > > > > >> > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental > > > > > > > > > > >> > mental/psychological > > > > > > > > > > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple > > > > > > > > > > >> > definitions and > > > > > > > > > > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the > > > > > > > > > > >> > truth is rarely > > > > > > > > > > >> > pure and never simple." > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying > > > > > > > > > > >> > > depression is the vast > > > > > > > > > > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually > > > > > > > > > > >> > > every claim comes > > > > > > > > > > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported > > > > > > > > > > >> > > by evidence. I > > > > > > > > > > >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
