having fun with your fantasies On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent to me, no, > I am a good girl *whistling* > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this we can do > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually our own view. > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or right the wrongs > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as it is placing > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the forefront of > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. this is very > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go off regularly. > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face with our > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we are given an > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the warrior in us) > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles injustice and > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are facing. This > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical action. And if we > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and forgiveness > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with this essential > > experience again, given another invitation to face and extinguish this > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it comes to > > call. > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most often, I think, > > it is misused. > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do something useful with > > > anger Molly. > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it is hard to > > > > shine > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and keep and hold > > > > still > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family spread > > > > apart > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And yet the song > > > > goes > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand on a planet > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers who were so > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family dirty linens"- > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They eventually paid for > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to unload ones > > > > >> sins > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that propelled action or > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to me. > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the luxury/hell of self- > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books and experts. > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some excellent > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the potential to > > > > >> > become > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of > > > > >> > "depression" is > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, many different > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of treating/dealing > > > > >> > with/ > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for particular > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified here!) to do > > > > >> > with > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at which many of > > > > >> > the > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The question which can > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates a particular > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something else. In a > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate recourse to > > > > >> > pills > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is something awful > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication may be > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any experience of joy > > > > >> > in > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best definition of hell I > > > > >> > can > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural categories for > > > > >> > it). To > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely dreary and > > > > >> > futile, to > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at some stage of > > > > >> > the > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see one's own > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for others so that the > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to exist ... I've > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known many others > > > > >> > who > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends killed himself > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of treatments and > > > > >> > therapies > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some pharmaceutical > > > > >> > help, > > > > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional support > > > > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, to realise > > > > >> > how > > > > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in fact open to me > > > > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to recognise, accept, > > > > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my personality. So for > > > > >> > me, > > > > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was an occasion > > > > >> > of > > > > >> > growth. > > > > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental > > > > >> > mental/psychological > > > > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple definitions > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the truth is > > > > >> > rarely > > > > >> > pure and never simple." > > > > > >> > Francis > > > > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying depression is > > > > >> > > the vast > > > > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually every claim > > > > >> > > comes > > > > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported by evidence. > > > > >> > > I > > > > >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our > > > > >> > > definitions of > > > > >> > > depression become more precise, so that intense sadness and > > > > >> > > paralyzing, chronic, suicidal despair are no longer lumped > > > > >> > > together in > > > > >> > > the same psychiatric category. (Lehrer) > > > > > >> > > I've been 'depressed' since middle teenage, with some bouts of > > > > >> > > clinical depression, partly associated with trauma. I've had > > > > >> > > some > > > > >> > > periods I'd call madness, and though I have never done anything > > > > >> > > 'serious' have found myself out of control at times in some sort > > > > >> > > of > > > > >> > > desperate way. I can claim some fairly good achievements in such > > > > >> > > periods, but mostly they are debilitating rather than manic > > > > >> > > periods. > > > > >> > > I'm coming out of difficult times at the moment and am almost > > > > >> > > 'champing at the bit', but really screwed by being physically > > > > >> > > crook. > > > > >> > > I'm about to force myself to write and 'get straight' and just > > > > >> > > beginning to feel it will work. Lehrer may help - the blog is > > > > >> > > good. > > > > > >> > > On 2 Mar, 01:41, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > Hi Rigsby, > > > > >> > > > Slip and I have been tangentially discussing this in the Robert > > > > >> > > > Thurman post. We both want to digest it and come back here for > > > > >> > > > discussion. Very interesting. > > > > > >> > > > On 28 Feb, 03:00, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > I meant to respond sooner Riggers, but was too depressed! > > > > >> > > > > True > > > > >> > > > > sadly! There is little not to be depressed about in > > > > >> > > > > contemplation > > > > >> of > > > > >> > > > > the human condition. I would like to believe that a world > > > > >> > > > > more > > > > >> > > > > engaged with truth and knowledge would help prevent this, > > > > >> > > > > but know > > > > >> > > > > many people who don't want to contemplate reality because it > > > > >> > > > > is > > > > >> too > > > > >> > > > > painful. > > > > > >> > > > > On 27 Feb, 13:18, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > "Depression's Upside" By Jonah Lehrer > > > > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/magazine/28depression-t.html-Hide > > > > >> quoted text - > > > > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > > > > >> -- > > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > >> Groups > > > > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >> [email protected]<minds-eye%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups > > > > >> .com> > > > > >> . > > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
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