*Interesting note: In quantum channels, zero plus zero can equal non-zero: "(PhysOrg.com) -- Physicists have discovered a strange characteristic of quantum communication channels. If two quantum channels each have a transmission capacity of zero, they may still have a nonzero capacity when used together. This effect, which has no classical counterpart, reveals a new complexity in the fundamental nature of quantum communication."
I think it is important, Neil, and always there, even on subtle levels we may not consciously detect. On Mar 9, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I think I know what you mean Vam; yet there remains a need to > recognise reality more fully in public dialogue. > > On 8 Mar, 13:32, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > what I found most interesting about this practice of keeping the mind > > clear of compulsive, obsessive or distracting though is that the > > resulting quiet mind becomes a habit, and my immediate surroundings > > are more peaceful, the flow of experience less disruptive. It truly > > does set the tone inside and out. > > > On Mar 8, 1:11 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Mar 8, 5:12 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I would guess many people are now seeing through the faking Molly, but > > > > this isn't enough to move the social strategy on. > > > > Perhaps you'll have reasons to relent on this dark thought in time, > > > quite as you've done on the faking front ! > > > > I believe, we have a responsibility, a duty, not to load the world > > > about us with our negative and desperate thoughts. One can have them, > > > as we all do, but must have learnt through life not to allow more > > > space or importance to them within ourself, to the exclusion of > > > others. Ideally, we should be capable ( yes, it is a capability ! ) of > > > wiping off our frowns and despair, our melancholy and defeatist > > > urgings, before stepping out of our bed / room / house. It's a tough > > > job, where most decent and righteous people fail, inadvertently > > > strengthening the hands of the indecent, the illiberal and the unjust. > > > > All's well, even our despair, defeats and losses ! Let me paraphrase > > > a Buddha quote : Your work is to discover your world and then, with > > > all your heart, give yourself to it. > > > > Nothing can be more practical than that. No space or time for > > > arguments. Only the realisation ... yes, our work is well etched and > > > cut out ... and the extent of execution. > > > > > On 4 Mar, 10:01, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > fake honesty! Oh lovely paradox! > > > > > > On Mar 4, 1:06 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think we need the honesty route too Molly. I simply fear it's too > > > > > > easy to fake and that we need some way to take on 'dirty hands' > > > > > > assumptions in the open. > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 01:13, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > "As for honesty, it depends on ones > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through etiquette and > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes acceptable. I > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one straight but > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > this backfires" > > > > > > > > I am not sure if dishonesty is culturally acceptable, but there > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > great deal of it going on between people in society. I think we > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > ourselves and the world a disfavor when we rationalize our own > > > > > > > dishonesty by saying that others do it so why not me. My > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > is, that in direct relationships of every kind, people appreciate > > > > > > > honesty and tire easily of dishonesty. And dishonesty with self > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > creates limitation, so what we think is easing our pain or making > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > situation easier, is really only keeping us from what we think > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > be uncomfortable or difficult, and in the long run, prolongs the > > > > > > > agony. It may be difficult and painful to take an honest look at > > > > > > > ourselves, but moving through fear is the only way to dissipate > > > > > > > it and > > > > > > > ease the pain and suffering. Can't avoid or deny it. There are > > > > > > > ways to > > > > > > > communicate with loved ones with honesty that allows for open > > > > > > > doors > > > > > > > and open hearts, the way to reconciliation. Do we really want to > > > > > > > perpetuate the misery in the world, or can we have the courage to > > > > > > > insist on honesty with ourselves and others, and show a better > > > > > > > way? > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 9:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > As soon as my head hit the pillow I remembered the Cold War and > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > impact on the Middle East and Africa.//Will check back as I just > > > > > > > > printed a coupon for 50% off and I feel rich! A new non-stick > > > > > > > > muffin > > > > > > > > tin and farewell to muffin liners! Yipee! > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 1:37 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > One can put much of the blame on French and British mapmakers > > > > > > > > > carving > > > > > > > > > up the Ottoman Empire after WWI- they showed little regard > > > > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > natural boundaries of tribes and warlords. Also, the > > > > > > > > > importance of oil > > > > > > > > > was an enormous factor- for instance, I feel Kuwait was > > > > > > > > > created as an > > > > > > > > > ace in the hole since Iraq could be intractable.But one could > > > > > > > > > also go > > > > > > > > > back to Napoleon's expedition to Egypt or the Crusades or the > > > > > > > > > split of > > > > > > > > > Christianity between the West and the Byzantine Empire. At > > > > > > > > > any rate a > > > > > > > > > balance of power failed in Europe as well as the modern > > > > > > > > > Middle East.// > > > > > > > > > Am discovering ancient China as I hadn't known much about it- > > > > > > > > > am up to > > > > > > > > > the Sung Dynasty but the Mongols are right around the corner! > > > > > > > > > I may > > > > > > > > > have to read it twice as it's hard to keep everything > > > > > > > > > straight since > > > > > > > > > this survey of civilization includes a great many examples of > > > > > > > > > the arts > > > > > > > > > and religious influences.//You may also want to think about > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > inequities between rich and poor nations or even within > > > > > > > > > nations as a > > > > > > > > > cause of conflict and misery.//As for honesty, it depends on > > > > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through etiquette and > > > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes > > > > > > > > > acceptable. I do > > > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one straight > > > > > > > > > but often > > > > > > > > > this backfires hence sayings about keeping one's own counsel > > > > > > > > > or the > > > > > > > > > danger of what can't be unsaid, etc.//Back to Eden- first > > > > > > > > > disobedience, then a lie and later a murder- not much of > > > > > > > > > start for > > > > > > > > > us! :-) > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 7:40 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking back to an earlier post of yours earlier > > > > > > > > > > Slip - the > > > > > > > > > > 'Muslim threat'. I see 5 American Jihadis have been > > > > > > > > > > arrested in > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan. We had a 'Dispatches' (Channel 4 here) > > > > > > > > > > documentary on the > > > > > > > > > > IFE (Islamic Forum Europe). Very disturbing stuff - > > > > > > > > > > infiltration of > > > > > > > > > > the Labour Party and a whole wad of rather nasty, corrupt > > > > > > > > > > activities. > > > > > > > > > > The good thing was that Muslims came forward to deplore > > > > > > > > > > what they are > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > I would go a long way myself down the spiritual route to > > > > > > > > > > 'light' if I > > > > > > > > > > could feel more comfortable that the experiences would not > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > manipulated. The idea of meeting God or the Blue Rabbit > > > > > > > > > > and thus > > > > > > > > > > living under such authority does not appeal. Neither does > > > > > > > > > > tradition > > > > > > > > > > or just blowing that away altogether in some anarchist > > > > > > > > > > binge - yet it > > > > > > > > > > does seem that we could get away from the worst of what we > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > together to do in ways that are so traditional all of > > > > > > > > > > history can seem > > > > > > > > > > to be about the quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > There's a point in Hegel (somewhere - he's truly awful) > > > > > > > > > > where he > > > > > > > > > > declares we now have history. Though I doubt history has > > > > > > > > > > any meaning > > > > > > > > > > at all in terms of laws, I am struck that a genuine > > > > > > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > > > it 'ready-to-hand' is always missing. One only has to > > > > > > > > > > think of posts > > > > > > > > > > in here where a few bits of stuff supporting a particular > > > > > > > > > > view are > > > > > > > > > > thrown in - perhaps on a wider scale we have the global > > > > > > > > > > warming > > > > > > > > > > debacle and the lack of public explanation of why we did > > > > > > > > > > Iraq or are > > > > > > > > > > in Afghanistan. We end up asserting opinion that can all be > > > > > > > > > > criticised rather than establishing facts. > > > > > > > > > > In academic terms, one can always check the internal > > > > > > > > > > validity of > > > > > > > > > > argument, and/or raise external critique that has different > > > > > > > > > > root > > > > > > > > > > values or metaphors. The great bits of science tend to be > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > someone or group bridge the areas seemingly incompatible. > > > > > > > > > > Einstein > > > > > > > > > > finds himself with Maxwell's equations and yet contradictory > > > > > > > > > > experimental evidence, so fixes the kinematics underlying > > > > > > > > > > both. Wiles > > > > > > > > > > bridges otherwise incompatible forms of equations to get at > > > > > > > > > > Fermat's > > > > > > > > > > last theorem. We can look at diabetes as a disease, but > > > > > > > > > > then find > > > > > > > > > > Dolphins use it as an advantage because they can switch it > > > > > > > > > > on and off. > > > > > > > > > > > One can see this in material Orn often suggests, certainly > > > > > > > > > > in Vam and > > > > > > > > > > Molly - to me it's more familiar as Wittgensteinian > > > > > > > > > > deconstruction - > > > > > > > > > > looking for similarities deep in apparently opposing > > > > > > > > > > arguments. What > > > > > > > > > > I have trouble with is the assertion of another 'Hegelian > > > > > > > > > > moment' in > > > > > > > > > > which to know anything we have to know all or, weirdly, > > > > > > > > > > nothing other > > > > > > > > > > than to be in a supposition-less and pre-suppositional > > > > > > > > > > state, or 'in > > > > > > > > > > the light'. It all starts to feel like 'you'll be all > > > > > > > > > > right once > > > > > > > > > > we've washed your brain' stuff. It starts to make me feel > > > > > > > > > > the way > > > > > > > > > > politicians do when they say god will judge them. The > > > > > > > > > > often claim to > > > > > > > > > > have met 'Blue Rabbits' to which we have no access - trusty > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > service types and all. This is a general problem with > > > > > > > > > > introspectively > > > > > > > > > > achieved states. They are not offered to our access, but > > > > > > > > > > used as > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
