"Questions as to whether we can 'witness' this remain open. " Yes! Open to viewpoint.
On Mar 9, 12:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > In terms of such exploration Molly, we operate in several trillion > tons of Higgs' Field per cubic centimetre, balanced out (guesses only) > in 'empty space' that is the most influential operator in the > universe. Otherwise, we'd be discumbobulated at the speed of light. > There is always much 'there' we don't sense in the standard way we > think about sensing. Emptiness is not ... I often wonder what we will > come to experience. Questions as to whether we can 'witness' this > remain open. > > On 9 Mar, 14:24, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *Interesting note: > > In quantum channels, zero plus zero can equal non-zero: "(PhysOrg.com) > > -- Physicists have discovered a strange characteristic of quantum > > communication channels. If two quantum channels each have a > > transmission capacity of zero, they may still have a nonzero capacity > > when used together. This effect, which has no classical counterpart, > > reveals a new complexity in the fundamental nature of quantum > > communication." > > > I think it is important, Neil, and always there, even on subtle levels > > we may not consciously detect. > > > On Mar 9, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I think I know what you mean Vam; yet there remains a need to > > > recognise reality more fully in public dialogue. > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:32, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > what I found most interesting about this practice of keeping the mind > > > > clear of compulsive, obsessive or distracting though is that the > > > > resulting quiet mind becomes a habit, and my immediate surroundings > > > > are more peaceful, the flow of experience less disruptive. It truly > > > > does set the tone inside and out. > > > > > On Mar 8, 1:11 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 8, 5:12 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I would guess many people are now seeing through the faking Molly, > > > > > > but > > > > > > this isn't enough to move the social strategy on. > > > > > > Perhaps you'll have reasons to relent on this dark thought in time, > > > > > quite as you've done on the faking front ! > > > > > > I believe, we have a responsibility, a duty, not to load the world > > > > > about us with our negative and desperate thoughts. One can have them, > > > > > as we all do, but must have learnt through life not to allow more > > > > > space or importance to them within ourself, to the exclusion of > > > > > others. Ideally, we should be capable ( yes, it is a capability ! ) of > > > > > wiping off our frowns and despair, our melancholy and defeatist > > > > > urgings, before stepping out of our bed / room / house. It's a tough > > > > > job, where most decent and righteous people fail, inadvertently > > > > > strengthening the hands of the indecent, the illiberal and the unjust. > > > > > > All's well, even our despair, defeats and losses ! Let me paraphrase > > > > > a Buddha quote : Your work is to discover your world and then, with > > > > > all your heart, give yourself to it. > > > > > > Nothing can be more practical than that. No space or time for > > > > > arguments. Only the realisation ... yes, our work is well etched and > > > > > cut out ... and the extent of execution. > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 10:01, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > fake honesty! Oh lovely paradox! > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 1:06 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think we need the honesty route too Molly. I simply fear > > > > > > > > it's too > > > > > > > > easy to fake and that we need some way to take on 'dirty hands' > > > > > > > > assumptions in the open. > > > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 01:13, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "As for honesty, it depends on ones > > > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through etiquette and > > > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes > > > > > > > > > acceptable. I do > > > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one straight > > > > > > > > > but often > > > > > > > > > this backfires" > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if dishonesty is culturally acceptable, but > > > > > > > > > there is a > > > > > > > > > great deal of it going on between people in society. I think > > > > > > > > > we do > > > > > > > > > ourselves and the world a disfavor when we rationalize our own > > > > > > > > > dishonesty by saying that others do it so why not me. My > > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > is, that in direct relationships of every kind, people > > > > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > > honesty and tire easily of dishonesty. And dishonesty with > > > > > > > > > self only > > > > > > > > > creates limitation, so what we think is easing our pain or > > > > > > > > > making the > > > > > > > > > situation easier, is really only keeping us from what we > > > > > > > > > think might > > > > > > > > > be uncomfortable or difficult, and in the long run, prolongs > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > agony. It may be difficult and painful to take an honest > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > ourselves, but moving through fear is the only way to > > > > > > > > > dissipate it and > > > > > > > > > ease the pain and suffering. Can't avoid or deny it. There > > > > > > > > > are ways to > > > > > > > > > communicate with loved ones with honesty that allows for open > > > > > > > > > doors > > > > > > > > > and open hearts, the way to reconciliation. Do we really > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > perpetuate the misery in the world, or can we have the > > > > > > > > > courage to > > > > > > > > > insist on honesty with ourselves and others, and show a > > > > > > > > > better way? > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 9:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As soon as my head hit the pillow I remembered the Cold War > > > > > > > > > > and its > > > > > > > > > > impact on the Middle East and Africa.//Will check back as I > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > printed a coupon for 50% off and I feel rich! A new > > > > > > > > > > non-stick muffin > > > > > > > > > > tin and farewell to muffin liners! Yipee! > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 1:37 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One can put much of the blame on French and British > > > > > > > > > > > mapmakers carving > > > > > > > > > > > up the Ottoman Empire after WWI- they showed little > > > > > > > > > > > regard for the > > > > > > > > > > > natural boundaries of tribes and warlords. Also, the > > > > > > > > > > > importance of oil > > > > > > > > > > > was an enormous factor- for instance, I feel Kuwait was > > > > > > > > > > > created as an > > > > > > > > > > > ace in the hole since Iraq could be intractable.But one > > > > > > > > > > > could also go > > > > > > > > > > > back to Napoleon's expedition to Egypt or the Crusades or > > > > > > > > > > > the split of > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity between the West and the Byzantine Empire. > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate a > > > > > > > > > > > balance of power failed in Europe as well as the modern > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East.// > > > > > > > > > > > Am discovering ancient China as I hadn't known much about > > > > > > > > > > > it- am up to > > > > > > > > > > > the Sung Dynasty but the Mongols are right around the > > > > > > > > > > > corner! I may > > > > > > > > > > > have to read it twice as it's hard to keep everything > > > > > > > > > > > straight since > > > > > > > > > > > this survey of civilization includes a great many > > > > > > > > > > > examples of the arts > > > > > > > > > > > and religious influences.//You may also want to think > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > inequities between rich and poor nations or even within > > > > > > > > > > > nations as a > > > > > > > > > > > cause of conflict and misery.//As for honesty, it depends > > > > > > > > > > > on ones > > > > > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through > > > > > > > > > > > etiquette and > > > > > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable. I do > > > > > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one > > > > > > > > > > > straight but often > > > > > > > > > > > this backfires hence sayings about keeping one's own > > > > > > > > > > > counsel or the > > > > > > > > > > > danger of what can't be unsaid, etc.//Back to Eden- first > > > > > > > > > > > disobedience, then a lie and later a murder- not much of > > > > > > > > > > > start for > > > > > > > > > > > us! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 7:40 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking back to an earlier post of yours earlier > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip - the > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Muslim threat'. I see 5 American Jihadis have been > > > > > > > > > > > > arrested in > > > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan. We had a 'Dispatches' (Channel 4 here) > > > > > > > > > > > > documentary on the > > > > > > > > > > > > IFE (Islamic Forum Europe). Very disturbing stuff - > > > > > > > > > > > > infiltration of > > > > > > > > > > > > the Labour Party and a whole wad of rather nasty, > > > > > > > > > > > > corrupt activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > The good thing was that Muslims came forward to deplore > > > > > > > > > > > > what they are > > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would go a long way myself down the spiritual route > > > > > > > > > > > > to 'light' if I > > > > > > > > > > > > could feel more comfortable that the experiences would > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > manipulated. The idea of meeting God or the Blue > > > > > > > > > > > > Rabbit and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > living under such authority does not appeal. Neither > > > > > > > > > > > > does tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > or just blowing that away altogether in some anarchist > > > > > > > > > > > > binge - yet it > > > > > > > > > > > > does seem that we could get away from the worst of what > > > > > > > > > > > > we group > > > > > > > > > > > > together to do in ways that are so traditional all of > > > > > > > > > > > > history can seem > > > > > > > > > > > > to be about the quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a point in Hegel (somewhere - he's truly awful) > > > > > > > > > > > > where he > > > > > > > > > > > > declares we now have history. Though I doubt history > > > > > > > > > > > > has any meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > at all in terms of laws, I am struck that a genuine > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > > > > > it 'ready-to-hand' is always missing. One only has to > > > > > > > > > > > > think of posts > > > > > > > > > > > > in here where a few bits of stuff supporting a > > > > > > > > > > > > particular view are > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown in - perhaps on a wider scale we have the global > > > > > > > > > > > > warming > > > > > > > > > > > > debacle and the lack of public explanation of why we > > > > > > > > > > > > did Iraq or are > > > > > > > > > > > > in Afghanistan. We end up asserting opinion that can > > > > > > > > > > > > all be > > > > > > > > > > > > criticised rather than establishing facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > In academic terms, one can always check the internal > > > > > > > > > > > > validity of > > > > > > > > > > > > argument, and/or raise external critique that has > > > > > > > > > > > > different root > > > > > > > > > > > > values or > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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