I think there is more agreement between science and non-mad- manipulative religious-spiritual 'sensing' here than is generally understood Molly. Questions as to what the 'witnessing' is remain and can be open in principle in both and poor reasoning in both and false claims about the capta can be exposed to criticism. Whilst my mind turns to such ponderables as the 'dark flow' and the content of 'emptiness' - parts of the universe apparently speeding beyond light speed to a single point and 'emptiness' as containing much more than light makes available to senses as we understand them - there are other questions as to what we are taking as evidence and theory. Once one can think of light-speed, 'empty space has friction', a very different situation to our general conceptualisations of how brakes work.
On 9 Mar, 20:03, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > "Questions as to whether we can 'witness' this > remain open. " > > Yes! Open to viewpoint. > > On Mar 9, 12:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In terms of such exploration Molly, we operate in several trillion > > tons of Higgs' Field per cubic centimetre, balanced out (guesses only) > > in 'empty space' that is the most influential operator in the > > universe. Otherwise, we'd be discumbobulated at the speed of light. > > There is always much 'there' we don't sense in the standard way we > > think about sensing. Emptiness is not ... I often wonder what we will > > come to experience. Questions as to whether we can 'witness' this > > remain open. > > > On 9 Mar, 14:24, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > *Interesting note: > > > In quantum channels, zero plus zero can equal non-zero: "(PhysOrg.com) > > > -- Physicists have discovered a strange characteristic of quantum > > > communication channels. If two quantum channels each have a > > > transmission capacity of zero, they may still have a nonzero capacity > > > when used together. This effect, which has no classical counterpart, > > > reveals a new complexity in the fundamental nature of quantum > > > communication." > > > > I think it is important, Neil, and always there, even on subtle levels > > > we may not consciously detect. > > > > On Mar 9, 12:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I think I know what you mean Vam; yet there remains a need to > > > > recognise reality more fully in public dialogue. > > > > > On 8 Mar, 13:32, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > what I found most interesting about this practice of keeping the mind > > > > > clear of compulsive, obsessive or distracting though is that the > > > > > resulting quiet mind becomes a habit, and my immediate surroundings > > > > > are more peaceful, the flow of experience less disruptive. It truly > > > > > does set the tone inside and out. > > > > > > On Mar 8, 1:11 am, vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 5:12 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I would guess many people are now seeing through the faking > > > > > > > Molly, but > > > > > > > this isn't enough to move the social strategy on. > > > > > > > Perhaps you'll have reasons to relent on this dark thought in time, > > > > > > quite as you've done on the faking front ! > > > > > > > I believe, we have a responsibility, a duty, not to load the world > > > > > > about us with our negative and desperate thoughts. One can have > > > > > > them, > > > > > > as we all do, but must have learnt through life not to allow more > > > > > > space or importance to them within ourself, to the exclusion of > > > > > > others. Ideally, we should be capable ( yes, it is a capability ! ) > > > > > > of > > > > > > wiping off our frowns and despair, our melancholy and defeatist > > > > > > urgings, before stepping out of our bed / room / house. It's a tough > > > > > > job, where most decent and righteous people fail, inadvertently > > > > > > strengthening the hands of the indecent, the illiberal and the > > > > > > unjust. > > > > > > > All's well, even our despair, defeats and losses ! Let me > > > > > > paraphrase > > > > > > a Buddha quote : Your work is to discover your world and then, with > > > > > > all your heart, give yourself to it. > > > > > > > Nothing can be more practical than that. No space or time for > > > > > > arguments. Only the realisation ... yes, our work is well etched and > > > > > > cut out ... and the extent of execution. > > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 10:01, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > fake honesty! Oh lovely paradox! > > > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 1:06 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think we need the honesty route too Molly. I simply fear > > > > > > > > > it's too > > > > > > > > > easy to fake and that we need some way to take on 'dirty > > > > > > > > > hands' > > > > > > > > > assumptions in the open. > > > > > > > > > > On 4 Mar, 01:13, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "As for honesty, it depends on ones > > > > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through etiquette > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes > > > > > > > > > > acceptable. I do > > > > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one straight > > > > > > > > > > but often > > > > > > > > > > this backfires" > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if dishonesty is culturally acceptable, but > > > > > > > > > > there is a > > > > > > > > > > great deal of it going on between people in society. I > > > > > > > > > > think we do > > > > > > > > > > ourselves and the world a disfavor when we rationalize our > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > dishonesty by saying that others do it so why not me. My > > > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > is, that in direct relationships of every kind, people > > > > > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > > > honesty and tire easily of dishonesty. And dishonesty with > > > > > > > > > > self only > > > > > > > > > > creates limitation, so what we think is easing our pain or > > > > > > > > > > making the > > > > > > > > > > situation easier, is really only keeping us from what we > > > > > > > > > > think might > > > > > > > > > > be uncomfortable or difficult, and in the long run, > > > > > > > > > > prolongs the > > > > > > > > > > agony. It may be difficult and painful to take an honest > > > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > > ourselves, but moving through fear is the only way to > > > > > > > > > > dissipate it and > > > > > > > > > > ease the pain and suffering. Can't avoid or deny it. There > > > > > > > > > > are ways to > > > > > > > > > > communicate with loved ones with honesty that allows for > > > > > > > > > > open doors > > > > > > > > > > and open hearts, the way to reconciliation. Do we really > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > perpetuate the misery in the world, or can we have the > > > > > > > > > > courage to > > > > > > > > > > insist on honesty with ourselves and others, and show a > > > > > > > > > > better way? > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 9:35 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As soon as my head hit the pillow I remembered the Cold > > > > > > > > > > > War and its > > > > > > > > > > > impact on the Middle East and Africa.//Will check back as > > > > > > > > > > > I just > > > > > > > > > > > printed a coupon for 50% off and I feel rich! A new > > > > > > > > > > > non-stick muffin > > > > > > > > > > > tin and farewell to muffin liners! Yipee! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 1:37 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can put much of the blame on French and British > > > > > > > > > > > > mapmakers carving > > > > > > > > > > > > up the Ottoman Empire after WWI- they showed little > > > > > > > > > > > > regard for the > > > > > > > > > > > > natural boundaries of tribes and warlords. Also, the > > > > > > > > > > > > importance of oil > > > > > > > > > > > > was an enormous factor- for instance, I feel Kuwait was > > > > > > > > > > > > created as an > > > > > > > > > > > > ace in the hole since Iraq could be intractable.But one > > > > > > > > > > > > could also go > > > > > > > > > > > > back to Napoleon's expedition to Egypt or the Crusades > > > > > > > > > > > > or the split of > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity between the West and the Byzantine Empire. > > > > > > > > > > > > At any rate a > > > > > > > > > > > > balance of power failed in Europe as well as the modern > > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Am discovering ancient China as I hadn't known much > > > > > > > > > > > > about it- am up to > > > > > > > > > > > > the Sung Dynasty but the Mongols are right around the > > > > > > > > > > > > corner! I may > > > > > > > > > > > > have to read it twice as it's hard to keep everything > > > > > > > > > > > > straight since > > > > > > > > > > > > this survey of civilization includes a great many > > > > > > > > > > > > examples of the arts > > > > > > > > > > > > and religious influences.//You may also want to think > > > > > > > > > > > > about the > > > > > > > > > > > > inequities between rich and poor nations or even within > > > > > > > > > > > > nations as a > > > > > > > > > > > > cause of conflict and misery.//As for honesty, it > > > > > > > > > > > > depends on ones > > > > > > > > > > > > culture but generally we repress honesty through > > > > > > > > > > > > etiquette and > > > > > > > > > > > > education and dishonesty in varying degrees becomes > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable. I do > > > > > > > > > > > > understand Molly thoughts about family keeping one > > > > > > > > > > > > straight but often > > > > > > > > > > > > this backfires hence sayings about keeping one's own > > > > > > > > > > > > counsel or the > > > > > > > > > > > > danger of what can't be unsaid, etc.//Back to Eden- > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > disobedience, then a lie and later a murder- not much > > > > > > > > > > > > of start for > > > > > > > > > > > > us! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 7:40 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking back to an earlier post of yours > > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier Slip - the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Muslim threat'. I see 5 American Jihadis have been > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrested in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan. We had a 'Dispatches' (Channel 4 here) > > > > > > > > > > > > > documentary on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > IFE (Islamic Forum Europe). Very disturbing stuff - > > > > > > > > > > > > > infiltration of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Labour Party and a whole wad of rather nasty, > > > > > > > > > > > > > corrupt activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good thing was that Muslims came forward to > > > > > > > > > > > > > deplore what they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would go a long way myself down the spiritual route > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 'light' if I > > > > > > > > > > > > > could feel more comfortable that the experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > manipulated. The idea of meeting God or the Blue > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rabbit and thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > living under such authority does not appeal. Neither > > > > > > > > > > > > > does tradition > > > > > > > > > > > > > or just blowing that away altogether in some > > > > > > > > > > > > > anarchist binge - yet it > > > > > > > > > > > > > does seem that we could get away from the worst of > > > > > > > > > > > > > what we group > > > > > > > > > > > > > together to do in ways that are so traditional all of > > > > > > > > > > > > > history can seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be about the quagmire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a point in Hegel (somewhere - he's truly > > > > > > > > > > > > > awful) where he > > > > > > > > > > > > > declares we now have history. Though I doubt history > > > > > > > > > > > > > has any meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all in terms of laws, I am struck that a genuine > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding of > > > > > > > > > > > > > it 'ready-to-hand' is always missing. One only has > > > > > > > > > > > > > to think of posts > > > > > > > > > > > > > in here where a few bits of stuff supporting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > particular view are > > > > > > > > > > > > > thrown in - perhaps on a wider scale we have the > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming > > > > > > > > > > > > > debacle and the > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
