I have no small amount of blame.. in dealing with a problem she had,, in teaching her to deal with it it created a monster,, Time had a way of dealing with mistakes.. I was not wrong in what i did.. because it saved her life.. there are some awful strange realms.. Allan
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > our perceptions can really skew our view of reality to fill > psychological need, and when we can step back and observe them, take > responsibility for them, change them...we begin the good hard look at > ourselves required of self honesty. > > On Mar 13, 3:36 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I looked at that up. they must have done a study on my ex wife... lol to > > the T in a big way. > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Pat <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On 9 Mar, 13:40, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I know quite a few people that create their own psychodramas for the > > > > rush of having them and can't seem to take a step back and look at > > > > their own role in creating the problems. > > > > > Perhaps they suffer from a lesser form of Munchausen Syndrome, the > > > idea being to draw attention to themselves so that others will care > > > for them, as it would appear that they, themselves, don't (or can't > > > bring themselves to) care enough about themselves to do as you say. > > > > > >I did not mean to suggest > > > > that we deny the worst we might do with manners. From my view, the > > > > worst and the best of us must be faced and owned full on and if there > > > > are problems in this, it is likely due to our own fear. > Interestingly > > > > enough, only be facing our fears with complete honesty of who we are, > > > > will the fears fade away. Nothing anyone else can do will quell this > > > > for us. If we perceive problems that can't be solved, we don't have > > > > all the information or are afraid to find it. At some point, it is > > > > what it is without denial. > > > > > > If we give credence to our critics, we also give credence to > > > > accomplishments. At some point, the only way to be honest with > > > > ourselves is to let both go, and act with integrity according to the > > > > dictates of the moment. We can always do this, and it will resolve > > > > any problem. Until we create more by constantly looking for them. > > > > > > On Mar 9, 12:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Could not agree more Molly. Our manners have some purpose in > denying > > > > > the worst we might do, but they leave us with unresolved problems > and > > > > > not much means to resolve them. > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 18:48, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > having fun with your fantasies > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent to > me, > > > no, > > > > > > > I am a good girl *whistling* > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this we > can > > > do > > > > > > > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually our > own > > > view. > > > > > > > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or right > the > > > wrongs > > > > > > > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as it is > > > placing > > > > > > > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > > > > > > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the > > > forefront of > > > > > > > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. this > is > > > very > > > > > > > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go off > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face with > our > > > > > > > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we are > > > given an > > > > > > > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the > warrior > > > in us) > > > > > > > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles injustice > and > > > > > > > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are facing. > > > This > > > > > > > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical action. > And > > > if we > > > > > > > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with this > > > essential > > > > > > > > experience again, given another invitation to face and > extinguish > > > this > > > > > > > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it > comes > > > to > > > > > > > > call. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most often, I > > > think, > > > > > > > > it is misused. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do something > > > useful with > > > > > > > > > anger Molly. > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well > it > > > is hard to shine > > > > > > > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and > keep > > > and hold still > > > > > > > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > > > > > > > > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family > > > spread apart > > > > > > > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. > And > > > yet the song goes > > > > > > > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to > stand on > > > a planet > > > > > > > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers > who > > > were so > > > > > > > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family > > > dirty linens"- > > > > > > > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They > > > eventually paid for > > > > > > > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to > > > unload ones sins > > > > > > > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that > propelled > > > action or > > > > > > > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the > luxury/hell > > > of self- > > > > > > > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books > and > > > experts. > > > > > > > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with > some > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the > > > potential to become > > > > > > > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject > of > > > "depression" is > > > > > > > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, > many > > > different > > > > > > > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of > > > treating/dealing with/ > > > > > > > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations > for > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified > > > here!) to do with > > > > > > > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at > > > which many of the > > > > > > > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The > > > question which can > > > > > > > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club > ameliorates a > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something > > > else. In a > > > > > > > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate > > > recourse to pills > > > > > > > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently > shortsighted. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is > > > something awful and > > > > > > > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, > medication > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any > > > experience of joy in > > > > > > > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best > definition > > > of hell I can > > > > > > > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural > > > categories for it). To > > > > > > > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely > dreary > > > and futile, to > > > > > > > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at > some > > > stage of the > > > > > > > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see > > > one's own > > > > > > > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for > others > > > so that the > > > > > > > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to > > > exist ... I've > > > > > > > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've > known > > > many others who > > > > > > > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends > > > killed himself > > > > > > > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of > treatments > > > and therapies > > > > > > > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some > > > pharmaceutical help, > > > > > > > > > > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the > professional > > > support > > > > > > > > > > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within > myself, > > > to realise how > > > > > > > > > > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in > fact > > > open to me > > > > > > > > > > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to > > > recognise, accept, > > > > > > > > > > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my > > > personality. So for me, > > > > > > > > > > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it > was > > > an occasion of > > > > > > > > > > >> > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental > > > mental/psychological > > > > > > > > > > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple > > > definitions and > > > > > > > > > > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, > "the > > > truth is rarely > > > > > > > > > > >> > pure and never simple." > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying > > > depression is the vast > > > > > > > > > > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. > Virtually > > > every claim comes > > > > > > > > > > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also > supported by > > > evidence. I > > > > > > > > > > >> > > tend > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
