LOL I know exactly what he said.. No I would not trade place, it is not within be but the privialge to watch such power in action is awesome. Would I change it.. No Like the path to much and I want to see where it ends.. right or wrong.. When the truth is spoken I have done nothing except witness the gentleness of such and awesome force.. As for price I have no idea what could have been .. so how would I ever know the price I had to pay, it is really the only life I have ever known.. Allan
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > "Nietzche was the one who did the job for me. At a certain moment in > his life, the idea came to him of what he called "the love of your > fate." Whatever your fate is, whatever the hell happens, you say, > "This is what I need." It may look like a wreck, but go at it as > though it were an opportunity, a challenge. If you bring love to that > moment — not discouragement — you will find the strength is there. Any > disaster you can survive is an improvement in your character, your > stature, and your life. What a privilege! This is when the spontaneity > of your own nature will have a chance to flow. > > Then when looking back at your life, you will see that the moments > which seemed to be great failures followed by wreckage were the > incidents that shaped the life you have now. You'll see that this is > really true. Nothing can happen to you that is not positive. Even > though it looks and feels at the moment like a negative crisis, it is > not. The crisis throws you back, and when you are required to exhibit > strength, it comes." - Joseph Campbell > > > On Mar 13, 12:51 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have no small amount of blame.. in dealing with a problem she had,, in > > teaching her to deal with it it created a monster,, Time had a way of > > dealing with mistakes.. I was not wrong in what i did.. because it saved > > her life.. there are some awful strange realms.. > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > our perceptions can really skew our view of reality to fill > > > psychological need, and when we can step back and observe them, take > > > responsibility for them, change them...we begin the good hard look at > > > ourselves required of self honesty. > > > > > On Mar 13, 3:36 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I looked at that up. they must have done a study on my ex wife... lol > to > > > > the T in a big way. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Pat <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On 9 Mar, 13:40, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I know quite a few people that create their own psychodramas for > the > > > > > > rush of having them and can't seem to take a step back and look > at > > > > > > their own role in creating the problems. > > > > > > > Perhaps they suffer from a lesser form of Munchausen Syndrome, the > > > > > idea being to draw attention to themselves so that others will care > > > > > for them, as it would appear that they, themselves, don't (or can't > > > > > bring themselves to) care enough about themselves to do as you say. > > > > > > > >I did not mean to suggest > > > > > > that we deny the worst we might do with manners. From my view, > the > > > > > > worst and the best of us must be faced and owned full on and if > there > > > > > > are problems in this, it is likely due to our own fear. > > > Interestingly > > > > > > enough, only be facing our fears with complete honesty of who we > are, > > > > > > will the fears fade away. Nothing anyone else can do will quell > this > > > > > > for us. If we perceive problems that can't be solved, we don't > have > > > > > > all the information or are afraid to find it. At some point, it > is > > > > > > what it is without denial. > > > > > > > > If we give credence to our critics, we also give credence to > > > > > > accomplishments. At some point, the only way to be honest with > > > > > > ourselves is to let both go, and act with integrity according to > the > > > > > > dictates of the moment. We can always do this, and it will > resolve > > > > > > any problem. Until we create more by constantly looking for > them. > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 12:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Could not agree more Molly. Our manners have some purpose in > > > denying > > > > > > > the worst we might do, but they leave us with unresolved > problems > > > and > > > > > > > not much means to resolve them. > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mar, 18:48, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > having fun with your fantasies > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent > to > > > me, > > > > > no, > > > > > > > > > I am a good girl *whistling* > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this > we > > > can > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually > our > > > own > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or > right > > > the > > > > > wrongs > > > > > > > > > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as > it is > > > > > placing > > > > > > > > > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the > > > > > forefront of > > > > > > > > > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. > this > > > is > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go > off > > > > > regularly. > > > > > > > > > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face > with > > > our > > > > > > > > > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we > are > > > > > given an > > > > > > > > > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the > > > warrior > > > > > in us) > > > > > > > > > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles > injustice > > > and > > > > > > > > > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are > facing. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical > action. > > > And > > > > > if we > > > > > > > > > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and > > > > > forgiveness > > > > > > > > > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with > this > > > > > essential > > > > > > > > > > experience again, given another invitation to face and > > > extinguish > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it > > > comes > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > call. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most > often, I > > > > > think, > > > > > > > > > > it is misused. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do > something > > > > > useful with > > > > > > > > > > > anger Molly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing > well > > > it > > > > > is hard to shine > > > > > > > > > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones > and > > > keep > > > > > and hold still > > > > > > > > > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are > still > > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family > > > > > spread apart > > > > > > > > > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. > > > And > > > > > yet the song goes > > > > > > > > > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to > > > stand on > > > > > a planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. > dj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her > peers > > > who > > > > > were so > > > > > > > > > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the > family > > > > > dirty linens"- > > > > > > > > > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They > > > > > eventually paid for > > > > > > > > > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea > to > > > > > unload ones sins > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that > > > propelled > > > > > action or > > > > > > > > > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a > dislike to > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the > > > luxury/hell > > > > > of self- > > > > > > > > > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of > books > > > and > > > > > experts. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with > > > some > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has > the > > > > > potential to become > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the > subject > > > of > > > > > "depression" is > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of > melancholy, > > > many > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of > > > > > treating/dealing with/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical > foundations > > > for > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much > simplified > > > > > here!) to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the > level at > > > > > which many of the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The > > > > > question which can > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club > > > ameliorates a > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for > something > > > > > else. In a > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the > immediate > > > > > recourse to pills > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently > > > shortsighted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression > is > > > > > something awful and > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, > > > medication > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any > > > > > experience of joy in > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best > > > definition > > > > > of hell I can > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural > > > > > categories for it). To > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely > > > dreary > > > > > and futile, to > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed > at > > > some > > > > > stage of the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to > see > > > > > one's own > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for > > > others > > > > > so that the > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased > to > > > > > exist ... I've > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've > > > known > > > > > many others who > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best > friends > > > > > killed himself > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of > > > treatments > > > > > and therapies > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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