I looked at that up. they must have done a study on my ex wife... lol to the T in a big way. Allan
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 9 Mar, 13:40, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > I know quite a few people that create their own psychodramas for the > > rush of having them and can't seem to take a step back and look at > > their own role in creating the problems. > > Perhaps they suffer from a lesser form of Munchausen Syndrome, the > idea being to draw attention to themselves so that others will care > for them, as it would appear that they, themselves, don't (or can't > bring themselves to) care enough about themselves to do as you say. > > >I did not mean to suggest > > that we deny the worst we might do with manners. From my view, the > > worst and the best of us must be faced and owned full on and if there > > are problems in this, it is likely due to our own fear. Interestingly > > enough, only be facing our fears with complete honesty of who we are, > > will the fears fade away. Nothing anyone else can do will quell this > > for us. If we perceive problems that can't be solved, we don't have > > all the information or are afraid to find it. At some point, it is > > what it is without denial. > > > > If we give credence to our critics, we also give credence to > > accomplishments. At some point, the only way to be honest with > > ourselves is to let both go, and act with integrity according to the > > dictates of the moment. We can always do this, and it will resolve > > any problem. Until we create more by constantly looking for them. > > > > On Mar 9, 12:28 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Could not agree more Molly. Our manners have some purpose in denying > > > the worst we might do, but they leave us with unresolved problems and > > > not much means to resolve them. > > > > > On 8 Mar, 18:48, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > having fun with your fantasies > > > > > > On Mar 8, 12:07 pm, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > *whistling* no, I am not posting certain secret emails sent to me, > no, > > > > > I am a good girl *whistling* > > > > > > > On 8 Mrz., 15:06, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes! I think that letting go of anger is important, this we can > do > > > > > > without expressing it as the source of anger is usually our own > view. > > > > > > If we are feeling judgmental, the need to diminish or right the > wrongs > > > > > > of the world, it is our own view creating the anger, as it is > placing > > > > > > us in conflict with our experience. > > > > > > > > Yet anger is a very real human emotion, and comes to the > forefront of > > > > > > our experience as a means for us to confront our fears. this is > very > > > > > > different than the ill tempered person who tends to go off > regularly. > > > > > > this is the exquisite moment where we are face to face with our > > > > > > deepest fears (and we may or may not recognize it) and we are > given an > > > > > > opportunity to take our stand (this often brings up the warrior > in us) > > > > > > and feel the I AM of a statement that reconciles injustice and > > > > > > justice, hate and love and whatever opposition we are facing. > This > > > > > > feeling of anger gives rise to courage and ethical action. And > if we > > > > > > are unable to reconcile the opposites and find love and > forgiveness > > > > > > when the anger subsides, we will probably be faced with this > essential > > > > > > experience again, given another invitation to face and extinguish > this > > > > > > fear, and it may be louder and more critical each time it comes > to > > > > > > call. > > > > > > > > Yes, I hear you Neil. Anger can be essential. Most often, I > think, > > > > > > it is misused. > > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 7:31 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think there is an honest place where we may do something > useful with > > > > > > > anger Molly. > > > > > > > > > On 5 Mar, 17:13, Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes if your family and your love ones are not doing well it > is hard to shine > > > > > > > > your light, but if you can laugh and your love ones and keep > and hold still > > > > > > > > a joy and find still there is good things,(You are still > > > > > > > > alive)....depression,poverty,hunger,coldness,homeless,family > spread apart > > > > > > > > and seprated, ill health,mock,not believed, rejected. And > yet the song goes > > > > > > > > on. dj and if even then you still give what you can. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Doris Briscoe < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I almost forgot about this song. It is not good to stand on > a planet > > > > > > > > > along. I like it that a person can start All over. dj > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:33 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> A beautiful and brave post- thank you, Francis. > > > > > > > > > > >> It is interesting to think of my mother and her peers who > were so > > > > > > > > >> tight-lipped about this subject and "airing the family > dirty linens"- > > > > > > > > >> she went shopping and shopping and shopping! They > eventually paid for > > > > > > > > >> their repression with ill-health. > > > > > > > > > > >> The sacrament of Confession wasn't such a bad idea to > unload ones sins > > > > > > > > >> and begin anew. > > > > > > > > > > >> I have dabbled only to find the sentence(s) that propelled > action or > > > > > > > > >> change. I dislike any rx and alcohol took a dislike to me. > > > > > > > > > > >> Modern life has enough leisure to allow us the luxury/hell > of self- > > > > > > > > >> analysis. I think we live in a self-help glut of books and > experts. > > > > > > > > >> Advice is cheap. > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, frantheman < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > Starting with Lehrer's article and going on with some > excellent > > > > > > > > >> > thoughtful contributions here, this thread has the > potential to become > > > > > > > > >> > something very good. > > > > > > > > > > >> > I believe that a danger in dealing with the subject of > "depression" is > > > > > > > > >> > that there are many different modes of melancholy, many > different > > > > > > > > >> > causes and, consequently. many different ways of > treating/dealing with/ > > > > > > > > >> > living with/learning from/transcending it. > > > > > > > > > > >> > There's evidence for neuro-biochemical foundations for > particular > > > > > > > > >> > depressive states, having generally (much simplified > here!) to do with > > > > > > > > >> > the neurotransmitter serotonin. This is the level at > which many of the > > > > > > > > >> > current pharmaceutical "treatments" kick in. The > question which can > > > > > > > > >> > often be asked is whether a chemical club ameliorates a > particular > > > > > > > > >> > symptomatic which is actually a signal for something > else. In a > > > > > > > > >> > society which believes in quick fixes, the immediate > recourse to pills > > > > > > > > >> > is prevelant and, I suspect, frequently shortsighted. > > > > > > > > > > >> > That said, I know that chronic, deep depression is > something awful and > > > > > > > > >> > - ultimately - pathological. In such cases, medication > may be > > > > > > > > >> > absolutely necessary. The inability to have any > experience of joy in > > > > > > > > >> > life over a longer period is for me the best definition > of hell I can > > > > > > > > >> > come up with (and I don't need any supernatural > categories for it). To > > > > > > > > >> > experience one's life as continuously completely dreary > and futile, to > > > > > > > > >> > feel that the effort of just getting out of bed at some > stage of the > > > > > > > > >> > day takes more energy than one has available, to see > one's own > > > > > > > > >> > existence as a uselessly complicating factor for others > so that the > > > > > > > > >> > whole world would be better if one simply ceased to > exist ... I've > > > > > > > > >> > been there. I never want to go back there. I've known > many others who > > > > > > > > >> > have suffered terribly, and one of my best friends > killed himself > > > > > > > > >> > because - after many years, and all sorts of treatments > and therapies > > > > > > > > >> > - he just couldn't stand it any more. > > > > > > > > > > >> > I came out of that particular horror - with some > pharmaceutical help, > > > > > > > > >> > but more fundamentally because I got the professional > support > > > > > > > > >> > necessary to look at the contradictions within myself, > to realise how > > > > > > > > >> > I had self-limited the options and possibilites in fact > open to me > > > > > > > > >> > and, in my particular case, because I learned to > recognise, accept, > > > > > > > > >> > embrace and integrate some darker parts of my > personality. So for me, > > > > > > > > >> > in the end, through all the suffering and pain, it was > an occasion of > > > > > > > > >> > growth. > > > > > > > > > > >> > As in so many things, in the case of fundamental > mental/psychological > > > > > > > > >> > states, we are constantly tempted to look for simple > definitions and > > > > > > > > >> > easy remedies. But, as Oscar Wilde once observed, "the > truth is rarely > > > > > > > > >> > pure and never simple." > > > > > > > > > > >> > Francis > > > > > > > > > > >> > On 3 Mrz., 00:01, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > One of the most challenging aspects of studying > depression is the vast > > > > > > > > >> > > amount of contradiction in the literature. Virtually > every claim comes > > > > > > > > >> > > with a contradictory claim, which is also supported by > evidence. I > > > > > > > > >> > > tend to believe this confusion will persist until our > definitions of > > > > > > > > >> > > depression become more precise, so that intense > sadness and > > > > > > > > >> > > paralyzing, chronic, suicidal despair are no longer > lumped together in > > > > > > > > >> > > the same psychiatric category. (Lehrer) > > > > > > > > > > >> > > I've been 'depressed' since middle teenage, with some > bouts of > > > > > > > > >> > > clinical depression, partly associated with trauma. > I've had some > > > > > > > > >> > > periods I'd call madness, and though I have never done > anything > > > > > > > > >> > > 'serious' have found myself out of control at times in > some sort of > > > > > > > > >> > > desperate way. I can claim some fairly good > achievements in such > > > > > > > > >> > > periods, but mostly they are debilitating rather than > manic periods. > > > > > > > > >> > > I'm coming out of difficult times at the moment and am > almost > > > > > > > > >> > > 'champing at the bit', but really screwed by being > physically crook. > > > > > > > > >> > > I'm about to force myself to write and 'get straight' > and just > > > > > > > > >> > > beginning to feel it will work. Lehrer may help - the > blog is good. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On 2 Mar, 01:41, archytas > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
