Yeah sorry Matthiojis, Cheers for your support and all but in this case I'm siding with the Fiddster!
Attack the ideas as much as you like, vigourously and then expect as vigourous a deffence(perhaps). Fidss and me well it is clear that we don't see eye to on some things, and it is clear to see by the tone of our debatineg that we both feel pashionatly for our stances, we can of course disagree and also speak harshly to each other. The problem I have with Fidds is his ability to read into what I say things that I just didn't intend to say. Once we get over this, I'm sure a degree of civility will return in our words to each other. Ahahah or mayby they never will *shrug* and life goes on. On 8 Apr, 01:37, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not angry at god. I'm also not angry at Huck Finn, Captain Ahab, > or Odysseus. It's a silly waste of time to try being angry at > fictional characters. The only difference between the three I list and > the one you did, is that no one slaughters, rapes, maims, steals from, > condemns, etc., other people because they believe that Huck or Ahab > told them to. > I didn't call lee ridiculous, I called my interpretation of his idea > ridiculous. An idea that is put forth in a discussion group may be > bolstered, torn up, rounded upon, elevated, etc.. > > On Apr 7, 12:49 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Fiddler, > > > I first want to say that you are savoir faire at formulating your > > opinion, and think they challenge to think about. Secondly I do not > > understand why you make a personal attack by saying someone is > > ridicules. For example: Lee your ideas about Evil are stupid because > > Evil is only a concept. (words are always concepts there ain't no > > words that fully describe their meaning) Why is Lee his idea about > > Evil stupid? > > 3 I get the feeling that you are angry at God because God ain't there, > > and that this is the result because your beliefs about God have hurt > > you in the past. (not believing in God is something else than being > > angry as a result of denial) What happened? > > > I have pointed this out because I think it is hurts people to personal > > attack their ideas and it is better to refute ideas/concepts if you > > want to philosophise. (I think this also counts for more people) > > > Greets, > > Matthijs > > > On Mar 28, 1:20 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran logistics on > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I hope that > > > never happens again... > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the sponsor > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of palestine) was > > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... > > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. Rather than > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by her > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in islamic > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her escape. Two > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he was an > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a crime > > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and love,c > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her escape. She > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her beautiful > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I may miss > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror without > > > bruises." > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in a while- > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around the clock' > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves islam. > > > > To lee: > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for free choice > > > to exist... > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to choose > > > love? > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil in order > > > to give us free will. > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously deadly > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this little > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a cookie, or > > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only good vs. > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the silly god- > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being nice. No > > > god needed. > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and apples > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick little > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. that says > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery to their > > > daddy.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
