Hello Fiddler, So if I understand correctly you are not angry at God, you are angry at religion. Because religion make people do bad things. Or are you angry because people believe they have to do bad things because their interpretation of their religion said so?
As you know, not all people who are religious do bad things, for example mother Theresa did some good things in her live. So I think you mean that people should change their interpretation of their believe. And for some people, who become violent because of their believe that would be the right thing to do. So you have a point there, if I understood correctly. But I want to mention that 95% of religious people have good intentions and help others because they believe.So I think it is unfair to say that religion should be banned. There are also a lot of atheist people who do good things but 5% did some bad things, do you want to ban atheism too because there are a few people who do bad? Matthijs On Apr 9, 7:34 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, if you read my words directly, I already take your advice. I > don't believe any delusion to be harmless, however. > At a skating rink they provide these "walker" type assistance devices. > The man that worked there pointed to numerous children that were using > them... and then told me how many months and years they had been doing > so. > My daughter wet the bed every night, I made sure she wore pull-ups. I > told her I wasn't buying anymore... and she hasn't wet the bed since. > These are just a couple of examples where crutches don't help. > Religion is another. Every day that people deny reality or hope for a > better "afterlife," they are prevented from making this life better > for themselves and others. > > My focus has always been the religious institution. You honestly have > no idea of the amount of work and writing I do that involves the > Catholic church. If you'd like, I can start posting it here, but I > hate making people ill gratuitously. The current pope is the one that > declared reporting predator priests to civil authorities to be an > unforgivable and damnable sin... but raping kids is a transitory and > understandable lapse in judgement. He did this as RATzinger, back when > he headed the investigative board in regards to predator priests. > > On Apr 8, 9:58 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey Fiddler, Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people. ;-) > > > I just had to say that. It's not the idea of a god that is the problem. It > > the way some people use that idea. The idea of God, imo, can be helpful to > > some people. To give them hope, to not feel alone, to give purpose to an > > otherwise purposeless life. Whatever hole they have they can fill up with > > God. Yes, this is delusion. But in most people it is a harmless one. > > Focus your passion against those that abuse religion and leave those that > > worship in peace in peace. Torment the hypocrites and lairs, not your > > average believer because most aren't a threat. Perhaps the Catholic church > > deserves some of your anger or resentment or disgust. Focus that on the > > institution and not let it prejudice you against all believers in a 'higher > > power.' > > > Thems my opins and I'm stickin' to 'em. > > > dj > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Then you haven't read my responses, you've projected your opinion. I > > > am, most likely, the least emotional person here. I am passionate in > > > my beliefs and sincerely despise the crushing amount of murder, theft, > > > rape, destruction, etc., that religion breeds. > > > > On Apr 7, 10:59 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Fiddler personally I think you are the most angry person in the group.. > > > your > > > > previous response say your ate angry with God.. your Arch-rival.. you > > > are > > > > so full of hate it boils over.. to the point you become irrational. > > > > Sorry that is just the way I view you, the image you project. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:37 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm not angry at god. I'm also not angry at Huck Finn, Captain Ahab, > > > > > or Odysseus. It's a silly waste of time to try being angry at > > > > > fictional characters. The only difference between the three I list and > > > > > the one you did, is that no one slaughters, rapes, maims, steals from, > > > > > condemns, etc., other people because they believe that Huck or Ahab > > > > > told them to. > > > > > I didn't call lee ridiculous, I called my interpretation of his idea > > > > > ridiculous. An idea that is put forth in a discussion group may be > > > > > bolstered, torn up, rounded upon, elevated, etc.. > > > > > > On Apr 7, 12:49 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Fiddler, > > > > > > > I first want to say that you are savoir faire at formulating your > > > > > > opinion, and think they challenge to think about. Secondly I do not > > > > > > understand why you make a personal attack by saying someone is > > > > > > ridicules. For example: Lee your ideas about Evil are stupid because > > > > > > Evil is only a concept. (words are always concepts there ain't no > > > > > > words that fully describe their meaning) Why is Lee his idea about > > > > > > Evil stupid? > > > > > > 3 I get the feeling that you are angry at God because God ain't > > > there, > > > > > > and that this is the result because your beliefs about God have hurt > > > > > > you in the past. (not believing in God is something else than being > > > > > > angry as a result of denial) What happened? > > > > > > > I have pointed this out because I think it is hurts people to > > > personal > > > > > > attack their ideas and it is better to refute ideas/concepts if you > > > > > > want to philosophise. (I think this also counts for more people) > > > > > > > Greets, > > > > > > Matthijs > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:20 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran > > > > > > > logistics > > > on > > > > > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I hope > > > that > > > > > > > never happens again... > > > > > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the > > > sponsor > > > > > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of palestine) > > > was > > > > > > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > > > > > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... > > > > > > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. Rather > > > than > > > > > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by her > > > > > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in islamic > > > > > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her escape. > > > > > > > Two > > > > > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he was an > > > > > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a crime > > > > > > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and love,c > > > > > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her escape. > > > > > > > She > > > > > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her > > > beautiful > > > > > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I may > > > miss > > > > > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror > > > without > > > > > > > bruises." > > > > > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in a > > > while- > > > > > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around the > > > clock' > > > > > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves islam. > > > > > > > > To lee: > > > > > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for free > > > choice > > > > > > > to exist... > > > > > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to > > > > > > > choose > > > > > > > love? > > > > > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil in > > > order > > > > > > > to give us free will. > > > > > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously deadly > > > > > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this little > > > > > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a cookie, or > > > > > > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only good > > > vs. > > > > > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > > > > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > > > > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > > > > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the silly > > > god- > > > > > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being nice. > > > No > > > > > > > god needed. > > > > > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and > > > > > > > apples > > > > > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick little > > > > > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. that > > > says > > > > > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery to > > > their > > > > > > > daddy. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > <minds-eye%[email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > ( > > > > ) > > > > I_D Allan > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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