Fiddler you amaze me,, On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:49 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote:
> First: Mother teresa was an incredibly bad example to use, she was > quite warped in her opinion of people and suffering, as well as not a > believer for the last part of her life. > > First you never met Mother Teresa so how do you know what she was like,, hear say evidence? or just your opinion? warped opinion.. not really I can say that because I knew her. A non believer.. lol I know what she wrote because she told me.. You have no idea of what she was going through ... just your warped invaluable opinion. From what i see is based in anger and hatred.. when you are ready to walk a mile in her shoes to understand her, then you might have a valued opinion > Second: I'm angry because I keep being told I'm angry. It's an insult > that keeps being thrown at me and I'm damn tired of hearing it. One of > you reads an insult that wasn't there and I'm still hearing about it, > yet you all feel so good doing it to others. > You being angry is not an insult.. it is an observation as how you are coming across to me and others.. In the new testement which I know you have read or rather had drilled into you in your youth.. (you are not old yet) Jesus gave the advice that one first remove the plank from ones own eye befor trying to remove the speck from eye of another. > > Third: Where the hell are you getting that 95% from? Because it can > only be presto-digitation, which is "I need a number...oh I know!" The > fact is that many of the "normal" religious people financially and > tacitly support the "extremists." Religions wage war on sinners... > like the millions of aids sinners in Africa that are dying of a > perfectly preventable disease due to islam and christianity. Like > polio nearly being wiped out...right up until muslim leaders began > insisting that the vaccine would sterilise muslims. ETC.. > Prestidigitation my my those are pretty standard and accepted figure that can be backed up and it is being backable with figures,, but as usual you would not accept them as correct because it does not fit into your angry view of things.. If the "normal" religious people are support the "extremists" that can only logically translate that these people are supporting you because you definitively in my humble opinion fall into the category of extremist.. True to form you take the most distorted view and claim it is the view of every one else.. oh well.. sickness is sickness.. > > Fourth: Howe exactly would you ban non-belief in mythology? Oh ya...a > return to the last 2.5 thousand years of executions committed by the > yhvh fan club... > Sorry Fiddler you are the one who want to ban people with bad beliefs.. and unfortunately atheist also fall into that 5% catagory of bad people.. that you want to ban.. Allan Just my opinion.. and I speak for no one else.. > > > > > On Apr 10, 8:26 am, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Fiddler, > > > > So if I understand correctly you are not angry at God, you are angry > > at religion. Because religion make people do bad things. Or are you > > angry because people believe they have to do bad things because their > > interpretation of their religion said so? > > > > As you know, not all people who are religious do bad things, for > > example mother Theresa did some good things in her live. So I think > > you mean that people should change their interpretation of their > > believe. And for some people, who become violent because of their > > believe that would be the right thing to do. So you have a point > > there, if I understood correctly. But I want to mention that 95% of > > religious people have good intentions and help others because they > > believe.So I think it is unfair to say that religion should be banned. > > There are also a lot of atheist people who do good things but 5% did > > some bad things, do you want to ban atheism too because there are a > > few people who do bad? > > > > Matthijs > > > > On Apr 9, 7:34 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Actually, if you read my words directly, I already take your advice. I > > > don't believe any delusion to be harmless, however. > > > At a skating rink they provide these "walker" type assistance devices. > > > The man that worked there pointed to numerous children that were using > > > them... and then told me how many months and years they had been doing > > > so. > > > My daughter wet the bed every night, I made sure she wore pull-ups. I > > > told her I wasn't buying anymore... and she hasn't wet the bed since. > > > These are just a couple of examples where crutches don't help. > > > Religion is another. Every day that people deny reality or hope for a > > > better "afterlife," they are prevented from making this life better > > > for themselves and others. > > > > > My focus has always been the religious institution. You honestly have > > > no idea of the amount of work and writing I do that involves the > > > Catholic church. If you'd like, I can start posting it here, but I > > > hate making people ill gratuitously. The current pope is the one that > > > declared reporting predator priests to civil authorities to be an > > > unforgivable and damnable sin... but raping kids is a transitory and > > > understandable lapse in judgement. He did this as RATzinger, back when > > > he headed the investigative board in regards to predator priests. > > > > > On Apr 8, 9:58 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Fiddler, Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people. ;-) > > > > > > I just had to say that. It's not the idea of a god that is the > problem. It > > > > the way some people use that idea. The idea of God, imo, can be > helpful to > > > > some people. To give them hope, to not feel alone, to give purpose > to an > > > > otherwise purposeless life. Whatever hole they have they can fill up > with > > > > God. Yes, this is delusion. But in most people it is a harmless > one. > > > > Focus your passion against those that abuse religion and leave those > that > > > > worship in peace in peace. Torment the hypocrites and lairs, not > your > > > > average believer because most aren't a threat. Perhaps the Catholic > church > > > > deserves some of your anger or resentment or disgust. Focus that on > the > > > > institution and not let it prejudice you against all believers in a > 'higher > > > > power.' > > > > > > Thems my opins and I'm stickin' to 'em. > > > > > > dj > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Then you haven't read my responses, you've projected your opinion. > I > > > > > am, most likely, the least emotional person here. I am passionate > in > > > > > my beliefs and sincerely despise the crushing amount of murder, > theft, > > > > > rape, destruction, etc., that religion breeds. > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 10:59 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Fiddler personally I think you are the most angry person in the > group.. > > > > > your > > > > > > previous response say your ate angry with God.. your > Arch-rival.. you > > > > > are > > > > > > so full of hate it boils over.. to the point you become > irrational. > > > > > > Sorry that is just the way I view you, the image you project. > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:37 AM, fiddler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not angry at god. I'm also not angry at Huck Finn, Captain > Ahab, > > > > > > > or Odysseus. It's a silly waste of time to try being angry at > > > > > > > fictional characters. The only difference between the three I > list and > > > > > > > the one you did, is that no one slaughters, rapes, maims, > steals from, > > > > > > > condemns, etc., other people because they believe that Huck or > Ahab > > > > > > > told them to. > > > > > > > I didn't call lee ridiculous, I called my interpretation of his > idea > > > > > > > ridiculous. An idea that is put forth in a discussion group may > be > > > > > > > bolstered, torn up, rounded upon, elevated, etc.. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 12:49 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fiddler, > > > > > > > > > > I first want to say that you are savoir faire at formulating > your > > > > > > > > opinion, and think they challenge to think about. Secondly I > do not > > > > > > > > understand why you make a personal attack by saying someone > is > > > > > > > > ridicules. For example: Lee your ideas about Evil are stupid > because > > > > > > > > Evil is only a concept. (words are always concepts there > ain't no > > > > > > > > words that fully describe their meaning) Why is Lee his idea > about > > > > > > > > Evil stupid? > > > > > > > > 3 I get the feeling that you are angry at God because God > ain't > > > > > there, > > > > > > > > and that this is the result because your beliefs about God > have hurt > > > > > > > > you in the past. (not believing in God is something else than > being > > > > > > > > angry as a result of denial) What happened? > > > > > > > > > > I have pointed this out because I think it is hurts people to > > > > > personal > > > > > > > > attack their ideas and it is better to refute ideas/concepts > if you > > > > > > > > want to philosophise. (I think this also counts for more > people) > > > > > > > > > > Greets, > > > > > > > > Matthijs > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 1:20 am, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > > > > > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran > logistics > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I > hope > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > never happens again... > > > > > > > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by > the > > > > > sponsor > > > > > > > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of > palestine) > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > > > > > > > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's > recipients... > > > > > > > > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. > Rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped > by her > > > > > > > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in > islamic > > > > > > > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her > escape. Two > > > > > > > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he > was an > > > > > > > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a > crime > > > > > > > > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > > > > > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and > love,c > > > > > > > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her > escape. She > > > > > > > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how > I may > > > > > miss > > > > > > > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the > mirror > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > bruises." > > > > > > > > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once > in a > > > > > while- > > > > > > > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around > the > > > > > clock' > > > > > > > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves > islam. > > > > > > > > > > > To lee: > > > > > > > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for > free > > > > > choice > > > > > > > > > to exist... > > > > > > > > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order > to choose > > > > > > > > > love? > > > > > > > > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create > evil in > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to give us free will. > > > > > > > > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > > > > > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously > deadly > > > > > > > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this > little > > > > > > > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > > > > > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a > cookie, or > > > > > > > > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > > > > > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is > only good > > > > > vs. > > > > > > > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your > god > > > > > > > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice > and > > > > > > > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without > "evil" > > > > > > > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is > the silly > > > > > god- > > > > > > > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being > nice. > > > > > No > > > > > > > > > god needed. > > > > > > > > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges > and apples > > > > > > > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick > little > > > > > > > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. > that > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and > slavery to > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > daddy. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > <minds-eye%[email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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