> The father idea was not anologous to God, but simply a tool desinged > to show you how the greater moral sin is to enslave a child and let > him have no free thought or actions. Greater is this sin, even though > by letting you child have freedom of thought and acttion you rescind > your control over him, and so he may turn out to be a little shit. > However by giveing you child such freedoms, it does not mean that you > are responsible for the desicions that he may make, yes even those > that you may call evil.
Great point Lee. The society rules or restrictions (In the form of evil and good) are formed the same way, imo. There is no black and white, all shades of grey and one has to choose darker and lighter, greater and lesser sin / evil. So according to some culture some thing may not be evil but by another culture it may be evil / sin (meaning a thing to be avoided doing). Logically which may mean, absurdly, that good is the least evil, and vice versa. On Apr 7, 3:05 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Dude, what are you on about man? > > Again my freind I am astounded how you can take my words which show a > specific thing and twist then to mean something else entirly. > > Can't have what both ways for example? > > Lets have a looksee at what I have said here. > > I have said that morality is SUBJECTIVE, that what you may see as > WHITE another may see as BLACK. > > So it must then follow from these words what you may see as evil and > good others may see differantly. In which case God itself may percive > what you call evil to not be that at all. > > Do you see then what this suggests? > > You seem to be argueing against the Christian concept of God with a > man who is just not Christain and simply does not hold to the > Christrian concept of God, what good does that do? > > For instance I do not belive that God has dammednanybody to eternal > hell, shit I don't even be,live in hell. > > The father idea was not anologous to God, but simply a tool desinged > to show you how the greater moral sin is to enslave a child and let > him have no free thought or actions. Greater is this sin, even though > by letting you child have freedom of thought and acttion you rescind > your control over him, and so he may turn out to be a little shit. > However by giveing you child such freedoms, it does not mean that you > are responsible for the desicions that he may make, yes even those > that you may call evil. > > It shows two things, that evil is indeed a concequence of free will, > (yet so is good) and that each of us is responsible for his own > actions. > > And so to the last bit. Once again I must tell you that this is a > discription of a God that I do not know, so it certianly cannot be > said to be my God. > > I wonder though as you seem to be so upset about it, how you restrain > your children now so that they learn to restrian themselves? You > would not of course use any of the methoeds you have outlined below? > > Like witholding pocket money, threatening to take their playstation > away, grounding them, all so they obey some guidelines from you? > > On 7 Apr, 04:28, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So humans usurped gods role and invented a concept outside of > > creation? This would mean that god is not, nor needs to be, the > > pinnacle. Otherwise, god created evil in order for people to use. You > > cannot have it both ways. > > If a god created all, and was herself all good, evil COULD NOT exist. > > If the deistic corruption found in the bibles account is accurate, a > > good god could/would not exist. > > > Your insertion of the idea of a father is false and rings false. > > Unless your human father has personally condemned you to hell for not > > spending 89/90 hours worshipping him, how do you arrive at this idea? > > That is what you promote as a gods demands. The monotheistic god does > > nothing for anyone, and never has. And yet billions worship a book > > that promises every conceivable torture unless one promotes that god > > and passes on the promise of torture and stunts the intellect of yet > > more children. Hopefully you see the difference between a maniacally > > evil creation in bronze/iron age texts and the reality of a father > > that actually cares about his child and pays medical bills and > > education costs. > > > As don said, there is a need to firmly guide children. I must restrain > > them from some actions now in order that they learn to restrain > > themselves later. Your god is the opposite and even promises to flay > > them for eternity in a pit of fire if they don't obey some vague > > guidelines that some paedophile, gold-digger, simpleton, bully, > > politician, etc., lay out for them. > > > On Apr 6, 5:25 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Yo Fidds. > > > > Did I say that? Nope I don't think I did say that at all matey. > > > > Is that how you took my actual words? > > > > Remind me where you get such Ideas Fidds? > > > > Looking at your words I can only assume I made some comment along the > > > lines of 'evil exists as a consequence of God granting us free will'. > > > Probably we where mulling ove that old chestnut, Why would a loving > > > God allow evil? I probably said something along the lines of what I > > > have typed above here, and I may have additionaly said something like > > > 'man does evil, and this is a free choice of mankind' > > > > Although I can't really remember now. > > > > Fidds, would you say that the father who fails to clamp down on his > > > unruley son, and instead allows his son to make the mistakes that he > > > will and thus face the consequences of his actions can be blammed for > > > the misdeeds of his son? > > > > Or put another way. Is the father who refuses to make a slave of his > > > son and instead alllows his son to 'think' for himself, then > > > blamewhorthy if his son turns out to be a little shit? > > > > As to the rest, rubbish I'm afraid my man. Say what you want to say > > > about God, it don't bother me, make the mistaken assumption that all > > > of your harsh words towards the Christain concept of God matter, I'm > > > not Christian. > > > > As to my ridiculous idea, what do you mean? Morality is all about > > > doing the right or the wrong thing, when engaged in a debate about > > > morality, then we must talk about both. Any fool realises that > > > morality is subjective, and as such may be viewed as black and white, > > > or several shades of grey by many people. Some of whom will swear > > > that what you see as white is in effect black, so what you are getting > > > on about I have no idea. > > > > On 28 Mar, 00:20, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've been terribly busy lately. > > > > > An interesting moment happened lately. A woman that I ran logistics on > > > > for her escape from Palestine insisted on thanking me... I hope that > > > > never happens again... > > > > She didn't speak English and her translator ( provided by the sponsor > > > > I'd arranged here as well as get her trunk space out of palestine) was > > > > almost fawning... ecckkk > > > > I much prefer my charity to be unknown to it's recipients... > > > > She escaped islam in Palestine and I'm very glad to help. Rather than > > > > be slaughtered for "dishonouring" her daddy by being raped by her > > > > daddy and her brothers (yes that still happens daily in islamic > > > > countries) she chose to leave and I helped organise her escape. Two > > > > people I knew were killed in the operation, one because he was an > > > > apostate and the other for being with him. Yes, both are a crime > > > > punishable by death according to islam. > > > > > I asked whether or not she would remain true to life and love,c > > > > forgoing the cult of murder and death that I helped her escape. She > > > > attempted to adjust a head covering that no longer hid her beautiful > > > > hair. Looking sheepish, she responded that : "No matter how I may miss > > > > what I had [family], I can actually look myself in the mirror without > > > > bruises." > > > > > This may seem silly to some of you, but please -just once in a while- > > > > put yourself in the place of these women that enjoy 'around the clock' > > > > physical, emotional, and mental abuse. No woman deserves islam. > > > > > To lee: > > > > I find such a fault in your idea that evil need exist for free choice > > > > to exist... > > > > > So, according to you, A man need be able to rape in order to choose > > > > love? > > > > > Your god (i draw this from your comments) HAD to create evil in order > > > > to give us free will. > > > > > That's a really sick and disgusting concept. > > > > > Your god: " here people! Eat this delicious and poisonously deadly > > > > chocolate cake!... or ... you know... you could have this little > > > > tasteless wafer of good...." > > > > > Any other loving parent: "here's an apple, an orange, a cookie, or > > > > leftovers... johnnie! get away from the poisoned rat-trap!" > > > > > Your concept is based on a ridiculous idea that there is only good vs. > > > > evil, and that any choice must be between the two. If your god > > > > existed, he could have given us such a variety of choice and > > > > experience that it would boggle a human mind... without "evil" > > > > entering the equation. Evil is a human concept and so is the silly god- > > > > myth. We have the capacity for being nice and for not being nice. No > > > > god needed. > > > > > My children have the free will to choose between oranges and apples > > > > every single day, that is free choice. It is only a sick little > > > > Canaanite separatist movement's god from around 300 b.c.e. that says > > > > each child must choose between eternal damnation and slavery to their > > > > daddy.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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