i think it works both ways....we alter the 'cause' and so alter the 'effect'....
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:49 PM, ornamentalmind <[email protected]>wrote: > So PSK, you believe that there is no cause and effect?...that somehow > 'we' can actually change the apparent progression of events? > Interesting.... > > On Apr 10, 1:20 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > all your posts seem to say one thing " nothings new.. wat has been... > > has been and will be" ... kind of > > > > On Apr 5, 6:29 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > “…which makes us enemies of each other The state is now bigger than us > > > mortal beings…” – PSK > > > > > Yet again, I just don’t see it. How is ‘the state’ bigger today than > > > in, say, the days of Rome?...of ancient Egypt? And, I’m not so sure it > > > has to do with size either. I’m guessing the issue is perceived > > > power. . . which, again, I just don’t see as being any more or less > > > than has been reported in the past > > > > > On Apr 5, 6:56 am, "pol.science kid" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > In the last post an evolved Mind was being discussed…here’s what I > > > > think…(it lacks structure...and very naive but please be > > > > patient ...) > > > > The Mind continues to evolve….It is a manifestation of the much > larger > > > > Process...The process from which we source the creation of > intelligent > > > > life. When one sees oneself in isolation from the Process arise the > > > > existential tendencies... An evolved mind I suppose is one with the > > > > open eye...the Minds eye... (One of the reasons I love this group is > > > > the great name)…to put it simply there is the higher self and the > > > > lower self inside everyone...we are constantly pulled down by our > > > > visceral and basic tendencies (lower self)...and not everyone cares > to > > > > realize their higher self..I guess that’s why great thinkers of the > > > > past incorporated their ideas into simple doctrines to follow because > > > > they certainly had an idea of an evolved and enlightened society but > > > > also knew that not every person is a philosopher so it was propagated > > > > as religion a lifestyle which would earn you great spiritual > dividends… > > > > of course over time it got corrupted as a means of monopolizing power > > > > over society by a learned few..That is one of the main problems of > our > > > > society today…we tend to forget the basic idea behind everything…and > > > > let institutions get bigger than us…what began as an explanation for > > > > unexplained phenomena (science being not so developed then) and an > > > > attempt to enforce some moral code, has become bigger than us…rides > > > > over us and is the plague of our times…a extra and outdated baggage > > > > from the past…it has outgrown its relevance today…similarly the > STATE… > > > > which began as an attempt to organize social and political life…from > > > > chiefdoms to countries it has transformed…and with it has grown the > > > > evil of patriotism(not to mention the violence to determine what is > > > > the best way to organize political life)…which makes us enemies of > > > > each other The state is now bigger than us mortal beings…Identities… > > > > ethnicity…language…caste etc… we seem to need them to validate our > > > > existence…the burning question of Who am I…I think I went a little > off > > > > the mark… what I want to say is that…The Mind ..Born out of flux > > > > desperately seeks to find permanence(so its attachment to symbols)…as > > > > the mind is the smaller functioning unit of the bigger Whole…it also > > > > tries to establish itself while contributing to the ‘process’…thus > > > > emerges our ego and sense of ‘self’…the Society is a collective body > > > > of the individual units…also seeks the same permanence…and so it > > > > creates institutions and preserves them…Change always comes In some > > > > kind of revolution(similarly In an enlightened individual…he forms > his > > > > own individual ideas against what he has been brought up believing > )…a > > > > mutilation from the past…but occur it must…because permanency is not > > > > the natural state of things… > > > > There are I think certain universal truths which must be and are > > > > arrived at…these are the key points of our evolution…they are arrived > > > > at through the smaller individual units…taking the form of Einstein > or > > > > whatever;-)…like Molly mentioned communication is a very imp. Factor > > > > for growth…the Mind does not grow in isolation…the society is really > a > > > > two way street I think…while the individual unit grows and evolves in > > > > relation to it…it also acts as an oppressor of the individual… Don’t > > > > worry Ash I think the symbols will evolve on their own…. > > > > What say my fellows?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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